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#1 nathanaakre

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:25 AM

http://www.baseballa...as-leaves-cuba/

Anybody know anything about this guy? I'm guessing it's highly unlikely, but it's always fun to dream of a guy like this defying the odds and signing with the Twins. Might be a good way to use some of that extra money as the young prospects start making their way to the bigs in the next few years?
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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:34 AM

They've had the chance the last few years to add Cuban talent, and have not. It is great to dream, like some of us did on Abreu last year.......but I'd bet a different team signs him.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :) Also, I am NOT trying to convince anyone I am correct, I'm just talking here, not arguing.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:38 AM

They've had the chance the last few years to add Cuban talent, and have not. It is great to dream, like some of us did on Abreu last year.......but I'd bet a different team signs him.


If they weren't serious about Carbonell, seems there's no way they're interested here. Looks like another Arcia. And it sounds like he might not be signable until some time in 2015.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:41 AM

The Twins have been very shy about courting Cuban defectors - they were big players in Cuba before the ban (When the Twins were the Senators).

I wonder what effect, if any, signing Kendry Morales would have on the Twins' involvement on Cuban free agents.

Tomas was ranked in the top 5 of international prospects at the last World Baseball Classic. He's still relatively young, but has played in Cuba's professional league for 5 years (which means there are no spending limits).

He'll have to get residency in a country other than Cuba and have the MLB agree to say he's allowed to sign a contract with an MLB team.

He played some CF, but he's a bit slow-footed, so projects to be a corner OF in the bigs. He's got power and is seen as just a notch or two below The White Sox' Abreu. Most of my info is coming from the MLB Trade Rumors story, which seems to use the Baseball America link you posted as its main source...
http://www.mlbtrader...-from-cuba.html

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 10:17 AM

I have to see the Twins get involved seriously in negotiating with a Cuban player. They just seem disinterested in this particular market regardless of the talent.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 10:29 AM

They've had the chance the last few years to add Cuban talent, and have not. It is great to dream, like some of us did on Abreu last year.......but I'd bet a different team signs him.


Maybe Terry doesn't want to upset his conservative cousin Paul by dealing with those damn dirty socialists.
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Posted 18 July 2014 - 08:32 PM

Remember when the Senators/Twins had a ton of Cuban talent? Late 50s and early 60s. Versalles, Valdivielso, Becquer, Ramos, Pascual, and Cueto. And those were off the 1961 Twins. What ever happened to their front office thinking? The Twins were good ​back then. I don't think it would hurt to start looking towards Cuba again.

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 06:54 AM

The Washington Senators had an active hand in developing Cuban players - those players listed were all signed and came to the U.S. minor leagues prior to 1959. Then Cuba became communist under Castro and the U.S. no longer allowed business to continue as usual between MLB and Cuba.

The way guys are signed from Cuba now is usually a bit shady, legally speaking.

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 07:57 AM

I do think the Twins should be a lot more aggressive in getting international talent that falls outside of the international cap (Cuba and Japan, mostly). For whatever reason, they aren't. I don't know if they have their own value on these guys that is too low or if the Pohlads don't want to spend that kind of money on unknown talent or if don't trust the ages or what. But I do wish they'd spend more money there - seems like a relatively easy way to increase the teams talent pipeline.

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:05 AM

They might not trust their scouting - in the case of Japan, the last player they signed was not the guy they thought they were getting. Not really Nishioka's fault for being a bad ML player, but it may make the Twins a bit gun shy.

With Cuban players, it could be a similar lack of scouting intel. However, I am of the opinion that the Twins are not eager to deal with all the baggage that comes with signing players that had to seek political asylum and in many cases illegally flee their home country.

There is a legacy of great Cuban players playing for Minnesota, and they now currently have Cuban defector Kendrys Morales on the team, they might become open to signing players directly from Cuba in the future, but I'd have to see it to believe it at this point.

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Posted 03 October 2014 - 08:26 AM

Darren WolfsonVerified account ‏@DarrenWolfson

Told the #MNTwins have expressed interest in arranging a private workout with Cuban FA OF Yasmany Tomas. No date set yet.

https://twitter.com/...713050380795904

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Posted 03 October 2014 - 08:29 AM

Didn't Darren tell us they were "in on" the last three? 

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What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :) Also, I am NOT trying to convince anyone I am correct, I'm just talking here, not arguing.


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Posted 03 October 2014 - 08:38 AM

Probably.At this point, I think the Twins haven't earned the benefit of the doubt on these Cuban guys.But let's hope this one works out.


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Posted 03 October 2014 - 08:45 AM

Very small chance that the Twins will sign Tomas, however, the private workout rumor is further than the Twins have gone on any of the previous Cuban defectors.

 

Being "in on" a guy is pretty meaningless, I agree.


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Posted 03 October 2014 - 09:01 AM

I put this out on the payroll thread as well, but thought I would put it here as well.

 

This is a good write up and comparison between Tomas and other Cubans.The skinny, his numbers in Cuba are nowhere near Abreau's numbers.Scouts believe Tomas as raw 70 power but will strike out a ton.He was always near the top in the league in K's and this writer thinks it is possible he could be in the 30% range in the big leagues.

 

His numbers in Cuba resemble Cespedes at the same age, who I think is wildly over-rated.His last two yeas he has had an OPS of .737 and .751.Pretty average for a LF and if Tomas's ceiling is in this range he is not worthy of the contract that is likely to be doled out (7-70 or so).

 

 

http://obstructedvie...uban-stats.html


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Posted 03 October 2014 - 09:32 AM

There are two variables affecting his output - the raise of the mount in 2012-2013 and Tomas' wrist injury this summer.

 

It will be up to the Twins talent eval team to make an accurate determination what this guy's true talent is, as well as the medical staff (shudders).

Edited by Willihammer, 03 October 2014 - 09:32 AM.


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Posted 03 October 2014 - 09:39 AM

There are two variables affecting his output - the raise of the mount in 2012-2013 and Tomas' wrist injury this summer.

 

It will be up to the Twins talent eval team to make an accurate determination what this guy's true talent is, as well as the medical staff (shudders).

 

The wrist provides some context to the drop in power.But you can see that he is still not on Abreau's range.And they were taking stats at similar age so it does not include this season:

 

 

During the 2011-12 season, Abreu hit .394/.542/.837 with 35 home runs, 75 walks and 40 strikeouts in 71 games. Abreu led Serie Nacional in batting, OBP (by 63 points over Alfredo Despaigne), slugging (by 142 points over Despaigne) and OPS. Abreu was an all-star and ranked second in homers—only one behind Despaigne despite having 63 fewer plate appearances—although Despaigne still captured the MVP.


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Posted 03 October 2014 - 09:49 AM

Abreu's arguably the most powerful bat on the planet right now so I don't know if that's a fair standard to weigh him against. Its more fair to compare him to Puig and Cespedes where he still falls a bit short but the gap is closer and depending on these other variables, might be a wash. Its too close to call IMO, just comparing the 3 players' stats, which is why the eval and medicals are so important.


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Posted 03 October 2014 - 10:29 AM

Abreu's arguably the most powerful bat on the planet right now so I don't know if that's a fair standard to weigh him against. Its more fair to compare him to Puig and Cespedes where he still falls a bit short but the gap is closer and depending on these other variables, might be a wash. Its too close to call IMO, just comparing the 3 players' stats, which is why the eval and medicals are so important.

 

True, but I think teams are going to jump at Tomas because of what Abreu has done.So the price is going to be way too high IMO. 

 

I am guessing a FA LF comp in the .750 OPS range will cost a fraction less, in dollars and years.Or here is a crazy thought, the Rays had .750-.800 OPS production out of their entire outfield the last few years through platooning.I haven't looked this year, but in 2013 they had bunch of cast aways with that production.

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Posted 03 October 2014 - 10:38 AM

While I am glad to see the Twins considering a FA like Tomas, as they should, I don't really think he is the type of free agent we need right now. He seems pretty similar to a right-handed Arcia, or maybe what Arcia will be in another year or two. What I've read about his defense is somewhere between fringe to average at best. Even if the Twins watch him and determine he is an average defender (a big if), I'm not sure that's the best use of money now. Buxton is going to be a great defender, but he is not going to completely make up for two mediocre corner defenders.




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