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#1 John Bonnes

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 11:54 PM

7IP, 2.57 ERA, 7K, 1BB, 5H.

Those are encouraging big league numbers. Stuff or no stuff, prospect or no, May or not, you can't send him down to the minors after that. An I right?

#2 jokin

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:04 AM

7IP, 2.57 ERA, 7K, 1BB, 5H.

Those are encouraging big league numbers. Stuff or no stuff, prospect or no, May or not, you can't send him down to the minors after that. An I right?


Absolutely right, John. Gardy has been managing by use of the hot hand all season. Pino is just the lastest, and he rose to the occasion, and under very difficult circumstances. I like how he was able to flash 91MPH to show he's better than the typical ragarm journeyman. And boy, did he mix up his velocity and locations well. A great story, and you ride this wave while it lasts.
I was most struck by the fact that in now, 8 starts this season in AAA and with the Twins, that he has set the side down 1-2-3 in each outing, which possibly augurs well for Pino to claim a spot in the bullpen at some point.

#3 John Bonnes

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:19 AM

This from the Postgame notes:

the seven strikeouts by Pino in his debut were tied for second most by a Twin all-time in his debut, behind Boof Bonser who struckout eight on May 21, 2006 at MIL.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:35 AM

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 01:02 AM

7IP, 2.57 ERA, 7K, 1BB, 5H.

Those are encouraging big league numbers. Stuff or no stuff, prospect or no, May or not, you can't send him down to the minors after that. An I right?


Absolutely. Between his 9-1, 1.92 ERA numbers in AAA this year and his start tonight, there's reason to believe he can keep this up. If not, no harm in a demotion. Really rooting for Yohan though. Hard not to!

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 01:12 AM

7IP, 2.57 ERA, 7K, 1BB, 5H.

Those are encouraging big league numbers. Stuff or no stuff, prospect or no, May or not, you can't send him down to the minors after that. An I right?


why would he not continue? Pelfrey is disabled and no other starter from the pen to go in at this time?

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 03:09 AM

It definitely was a performance worth watching. I liked it so much I watched the re-broadcast also. :)

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:05 AM

Sure, ride this out. It is good for the present and great for the future if he can prove he belongs at this level. We have a guy that has really learned how to pitch through a long MiLB career. Now, he is a low cost, controllable asset in his prime. There has to be a market for such a player, right? Keep him here and establish he can pitch at this level. Then, trade him and bring up the next guy.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:25 AM

Didn't see much of the game at all, glad to see Pino succeed! How did he look on the mound? Hard to argue with 7 k and 5 H in 7 IP, 1.51 FIP :P

I think he has definitely earned more starts, ride the hot arm until the league catches up to him. May will get his shot soon enough due to ineffectiveness, injury etc

If pino does falter a bit, I like his chances of sticking in the pen.

Either way, good for him, nice to see a long time minor leaguer get his shot and take full advantage of it, that's gotta be an amazing feeling.

Edited by SpiritofVodkaDave, 20 June 2014 - 05:30 AM.


#10 TheLeviathan

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:45 AM

I didn't see 7ks coming with his profile. That was a well pitched game last night.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:50 AM

I didn't see 7ks coming with his profile. That was a well pitched game last night.


Surprisingly? Yes
Shocking? No

He has been striking out a guy an inning all year, yes, yes, AAA is significantly easier then the majors, but strike outs are strike outs.

Just saw his highlights, I was surprised how many of the strike outs were on swinging strikes, pretty sure he had more swinging strikes then Nick Blackburn did in his entire career.

Edited by SpiritofVodkaDave, 20 June 2014 - 06:08 AM.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 06:11 AM

7IP, 2.57 ERA, 7K, 1BB, 5H.

Those are encouraging big league numbers. Stuff or no stuff, prospect or no, May or not, you can't send him down to the minors after that. An I right?

The antithesis to Mike Tonkin...He hides the ball variees his delivery, Im very impressed and hoping hes around for years...

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 06:38 AM

He has definitely earned at least one more start. This line: 7IP, 2.57 ERA, 7K, 1BB, 5H. is better than any start we got out of Deduno since he has been starting.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 07:08 AM

He earned his way up. He will have to fail to go back down. If he keeps pitching like that, there's no reason to change. With his mix, intelligence, and control, I see no reason he can't continue to have success.
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Posted 20 June 2014 - 07:20 AM

Didn't see much of the game at all, glad to see Pino succeed! How did he look on the mound? Hard to argue with 7 k and 5 H in 7 IP, 1.51 FIP :P

I think he has definitely earned more starts, ride the hot arm until the league catches up to him. May will get his shot soon enough due to ineffectiveness, injury etc

If pino does falter a bit, I like his chances of sticking in the pen.

Either way, good for him, nice to see a long time minor leaguer get his shot and take full advantage of it, that's gotta be an amazing feeling.


Thank you for posting his FIP! I was wondering if it was actually a good start or a fake good start. What was his BABIP?

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 07:20 AM

I don't care what it looks like, if you can pitch 7 innings and strikeout 7, and miss a lot of bats, that earns you the right to stay here. Now onto Kevin Corrreia, who hopefully continues his streak of pitching like his job depends on it. Atlanta just lost Gavin Floyd, maybe Correia would appeal to them?

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 07:21 AM

Pino's start inspire the song of the day.

#18 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 07:25 AM

I don't have any faith in Pino.

With that said, he earned another start.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:05 AM

That was a nice beginning for Pino, as nervous as he was. One pitch may have cost him a shutout and a win. He's earned another 3-4 starts, and if he continues with this he'll finish the year here.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:12 AM

Of course he should get another start.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:34 AM

Thank you for posting his FIP! I was wondering if it was actually a good start or a fake good start. What was his BABIP?

.278 which is pretty average. Good news is his 66% strand rate should improve as well :P
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#22 SpiritofVodkaDave

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:36 AM

I don't have any faith in Pino.

Why?
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#23 slash129

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:50 AM

That start by Pino was a great follow-up to the Gibson performance on Wednesday. Coupled with watching Willingham take batting practice off Quintana, that start made me forget the Fien hiccuppish meltdown already. I was also glad to see Fien get back to business with a 5 pitch/5 strike inning. Short memory/Go make the next play ... Love it!

Back to Pino, his command was lights out. If you can locate the way he was locating, it doesn't matter so much if it's 89 or 98. He also looked very composed and comfortable. The only composure hiccup was that four pitch walk to Beckham with runners on first and third. Anderson made the trip and settled him down. Damage control followed thanks to a laser throw from Fuld to Dozier on the Gillaspie single. Pino then strikes out Yogi Abreu and paints zeros for four more innings. Awesome!!

Also, see my reply at the end of this post: http://www.twinsdail...n-Roster-Invite

It was a question and not a prediction, but I'll pat myself on the back anyway. :roll:

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:01 AM

That start by Pino was a great follow-up to the Gibson performance on Wednesday. Coupled with watching Willingham take batting practice off Quintana, that start made me forget the Fien hiccuppish meltdown already. I was also glad to see Fien get back to business with a 5 pitch/5 strike inning. Short memory/Go make the next play ... Love it!

Back to Pino, his command was lights out. If you can locate the way he was locating, it doesn't matter so much if it's 89 or 98. He also looked very composed and comfortable. The only composure hiccup was that four pitch walk to Beckham with runners on first and third. Anderson made the trip and settled him down.

Damage control followed thanks to a laser throw from Fuld to Dozier on the Gillaspie single. Pino then strikes out Yogi Abreu and paints zeros for four more innings. Awesome!!


Don't forget, the Twins defense sandwiched 2 botched and catch-able foul pop flies around that Fuld-to-Dozier put out at 2nd on Beckham off of the Gillaspie single.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:08 AM

It's going to be interesting to see how long Pino's "deceptive delivery" plays. Apparently he has great control and ball movement.

"We didn't know too much about him," White Sox manager Robin Ventura said. "He's got a bit of an unusual delivery. It's deceptive, to make his off-speed stuff a little bit better. He doesn't throw that hard, but when you're watching it, it looks a little harder."

http://www.kspr.com/sports/pinos-debut-worth-the-wait-as-twins-top-white-sox/21051914_26584228It'll be interesting to see what happens as teams get more film of him.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:13 AM

I don't have any faith in Pino.

With that said, he earned another start.


30 year old rookies who throw in the high 80s don't inspire much confidence.


Just to put things in perspective, the Twins stay true to form, and celebrate debuting yet another arm rescued out of AAAA obscurity. Meanwhile, the much-maligned Miami Marlins- on the same night we enjoyed the fine, but aged, Pino Noir- debuted yet another member of their impressive string of hot young pitching prospects- this time, 2012 First Round draft pick, Andrew Heaney.

His first MLB game line, at the tender age of 23? Going up against Mets ace Zach Wheeler, Heaney achieved- 6 IP 1 ER, 4 H, 3 K, 1 BB, !.50 ERA. Seems more like a debut line the kid can build on, not rest- and eventually- reflect on.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:13 AM

Why?


30 year old rookies who throw in the high 80s don't inspire much confidence.

#28 jokin

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:18 AM

30 year old rookies who throw in the high 80s don't inspire much confidence.


To be fair, Pino threw several pitches at 90 and 91, but yes, the league is likely to catch up with him sooner rather than later.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:28 AM

I was impressed by Pino's performance. His command and change of speeds were very good. However, after he left the game, all I could think about was Andrew Albers' impressive debut last year... Everyone was praising him like he was the greatest thing since Bert Blyleven... But after that, things weren't so impressive for Albers... What country is he pitching in this year?

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:42 AM

Don't forget, the Twins defense sandwiched 2 botched and catch-able foul pop flies around that Fuld-to-Dozier put out at 2nd on Beckham off of the Gillaspie single.



Yeah, my neighbor and I were in the garage and laughing about those.

Willingham (said with your best good ole boy accent): "I can hit the ball a country mile, but I don't run good."

Mauer (said with your best Beaver Cleaver accent): "Gosh, Brian, I sure am glad you didn't get hurt on that wall. I feel just awful for cuttin' you off like that. I could buy you a soda-pop after the game, seein' as I make a lot more money than you and all."