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#1 Nick Nelson

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 10:05 PM

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#2 glp_vt

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 10:52 PM

Could definitely see the intrigue if Hammer's traded at the deadline. You have a potential platoon of Hicks/Rosario in center. Both could also be strong fourth outfielders if Hicks starts hitting for more power.

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 11:29 PM

We've talked about it quite a bit the last two or three weeks on the Twins Hangouts podcast. I would be shocked if Rosario isn't a September call-up and actually almost expect him to come up a little before that to play CF. I'd then think he'd be the favorite to start 2015 as the Twins centerfielder.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 06:56 AM

I have mixed feelings about him moving back to CF. I really want his bat at 2b. I get that Dozier has been pretty good, but I'd try him at SS again. Especially since Buxton isn't too far away. On the other hand, the Twins have a huge hole in CF right now and Rosario fills it.
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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:48 AM

I don't see any reason to think he's close to being ready. He has plate discipline problems and only OK power. He hasn't been playing CF regularly due to the 2B move years ago. If he earns the promotion, great, but I'd be surprised.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:13 AM

I have been reading through some reports on Rosario from the time he made the switch.

At that time, it was felt that he did not have the arm for RF, the range for CF or the bat for LF. His bat and arm would fit 2B. Since then, his bat has remained strong as he progressed from Elizabethton to New Britain. He can bring it to LF. I don't see how he would have improved his range for CF.

He he still might be the best option for the a Twins in CF later this season, but the Twins really need Buxton long term.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:39 AM

We've talked about it quite a bit the last two or three weeks on the Twins Hangouts podcast. I would be shocked if Rosario isn't a September call-up and actually almost expect him to come up a little before that to play CF. I'd then think he'd be the favorite to start 2015 as the Twins centerfielder.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 12:29 PM

I don't think 2B was ever a perfect fit for Rosario anyway (Polanco is probably better suited for future 2B). He should be our LF of the future but could probably hold down CF for a season or whatever it takes until Buxton is ready. I've never seen or heard anything negative about his bat. By all accounts the kid can rake, I look forward to watching him on a regular basis.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 12:59 PM

If Rosario and Vargas are playing together in Target Field by August-September and doing reasonably well, with Buxton & Sano on the doorstep, it could set off an off-season frenzy unlike anything we've seen in Twinsville in some time.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 01:39 PM

I laugh at the thought that Rosario doesn't have the range to play center field. As long as he can hit, anyone can pretty much play in the Twins center field. Santana is currently the major league center fielder for the Twins. He is getting regular starts over players who have outfield experience. He had very little outfield experience before playing this year. His inexperience has shown in his routes to fly balls. He is getting regular playing time because he can hit. If he wasn't hitting the Twins would play a more defensively adept player. With time he should learn the position better, but right now he is playing because of his bat, not his defense. So the thought of Rosario not having the range to play center is just not realistic. If Parmalee was hitting .300+ he would be in the outfield rather than on the bench.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 02:20 PM

The Twins are going to have bevvy of guys who will be able to play both the infield and the outfield under team control for the foreseeable future; that kind of flexibility I think could really pay off over the long haul of unexpected injuries and decline.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 03:01 PM

The Twins are going to have bevvy of guys who will be able to play both the infield and the outfield under team control for the foreseeable future; that kind of flexibility I think could really pay off over the long haul of unexpected injuries and decline.


I agree this flexibililty will be helpful in the long run, although it does make for some interesting defense in the short term.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 03:06 PM

I feel like the he has a much better career as a 2B but he's blocked by Dozier and possibly Polanco and if we moved Dozier back to SS then Brian blocks Gordon or Santana. He has a future in the OF at LF but I feel like there are other options like Adam Walker, Max Kepler and Jason Kanzler who have more experience in the outfield. He's blocked by #1 prospect Byron Buxton in CF. And in RF lies Arcia. For 4th outfielder is Hicks and Danny Ortiz. Could Rosario be in a big trade bundle to get an upgrade in the pitching department this year?
I think he could because we have depth in OF/2B. Lastly you get his full potential as a player at 2B and better trade value.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 05:41 PM

Buxton isn't too far away.


How sure are you about that? I think that best case scenario with Buxton is to have a healthy season in AA next season and fight of a 25 man roster spot in 2016.

That said, I'd still keep Rosario at second base and sell high the off-season on Dozier, but the Twins will not do that. Hicks will be fine as the Twins' starting CF in 2015. His OBP his season is higher than Span's last 3 seasons with the Twins and he has the glove and the arm to play there.

It is hard to form opinions about MLB readiness based on A+ numbers. For reference: Buxton is where Meyer was 2 seasons ago.
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Posted 18 June 2014 - 06:19 PM

Danny Santana is going to be the odd man out between he, Dozier, and Rosario. It's hard to imagine all three on the same roster by mid-2015.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:34 PM

Danny Santana is going to be the odd man out between he, Dozier, and Rosario. It's hard to imagine all three on the same roster by mid-2015.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:51 PM

That's a hell of a dip he's got in his lip for that picture. Twins might wanna chat with him about that.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:19 PM

What an embarrassing society we live in. Memo to future generations: I apologize for all the morons that think pot is a big deal. Guy tokes a joint and gets treated like he robbed a string of convenience stores at gunpoint. When will America grow up and smoke a little perspective?

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:23 PM

Wow. Isn't it interesting that instead of talk about scrambling to fill roster spots we're actually talking about room for too many young talents?

My theory; we have Hicks for CF next season, possibly a re-signing of Fuld for a reserve spot, but the Twins aren't stupid, really, despite some mistakes made in addressing the OF/CF situation, and they will make a move for a solid, temp, fill in, 4th OF type for competition.

It doesn't matter how good Buxton is, and will be, you also have to fill out the ML roster. Rosario will spend a good chunk of the second half of the season in Rochester, in CF, with some action at 2B to keep up his versatility. 2015 will see him in competition with Hicks, a FA, possibly Fuld as well, and Dozier as another multi-use option. Santana will also compete at SS with Escobar. If he keeps hitting and providing excitement, he probably wins that battle and Escobar teams with Nunez to give us some great bench options.

Rosario was/is a CF by trade. He might not be Buxton, but he's got the ability to play there, at least initially. From there, he could reposition to an excellent defensive LF who provides some very versatile offense. Yes, there is some question about patience and OB%, which is true of a lot of young players. But this kid is flat out a potentially quality hitter. He's got big doubles potential and the ability for some triples as well. A little more polish, he should be at least a decent SB threat. Plus his speed just plays well on the bases. HR power? It's hard to predict. I don't know if he'll ever hit 20 consistently, as he did in E-Town,or ever. But don't forget his youth, his athleticism, or the fact that he's been promoted as aggresively as any young Twins prospect. Given a little time and adjustment to his level, I believe he can be a consistent double-digit HR performer. All of this plays to a quality offensive performer at the top of the order, or at worst, bottom third dangerous threat.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 06:14 AM

Danny Santana is going to be the odd man out between he, Dozier, and Rosario. It's hard to imagine all three on the same roster by mid-2015.


That makes no sense to me. With a little polish Santana looks like he will be a great SS and with a little more plate discipline, a great lead-off hitter. Plus, he can be your back-up CF when Buxton needs a day off. Why would you get rid of him.

I guess you are assuming they move Dozier back to short in this scenario. I don't see it. He is a great 2B and not so good SS. So, it comes down to how well can Rosario play 2B. To me the options are ....
1) Sell High on Dozier. I agree with Thyros provided if the return is high enough.
2) Trade Rosario
3) Give Rosario time at the ML level in CF/LF/DH and 2B. Determine what to do in 2016.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 11:51 AM

What an embarrassing society we live in. Memo to future generations: I apologize for all the morons that think pot is a big deal. Guy tokes a joint and gets treated like he robbed a string of convenience stores at gunpoint. When will America grow up and smoke a little perspective?


I respectfully disagree with your position on pot use in America. I am not embarrassed to be an American. I also am not a moron. I have a degree in economics from UNC and a law degree from UNC. I will admit, there is too much emphasis on escaping reality through alcohol and drugs and too many people thinking, "what can the government do for me", when there should be more emphasis on hard work in a free society to keep America strong and safe and to keep the American dream alive and healthy for us and our children. If Rosario had robbed a string of stores at gunpoint, he'd be in prison, rather than being paid to play baseball. I am the happiest I have ever been in my life. I hope you find the peace and happiness which I have. I'll be glad to share more with you about this it if you wish. You may email me at david@statesvillelaw.com.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:00 PM

Apocalypse warning......Seth and I agree for a second time this week...


Geez, mike, if Seth is your apocalypse warning, then what the hell am I?

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:09 PM

Geez, mike, if Seth is your apocalypse warning, then what the hell am I?



This made me laugh, good thing no one sits by me at work anymore.....while you and I often disagree, I appreciate we can generally do so civily. this is a nice example. Thanks for pushing me sometimes on my crazy posts.....
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Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:11 PM

This made me laugh, good thing no one sits by me at work anymore.....while you and I often disagree, I appreciate we can generally do so civily. this is a nice example. Thanks for pushing me sometimes on my crazy posts.....


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:17 PM

tell that to the moderators...;)


I will admit, sometimes our interactions don't work well for me.....but mostly I just feel challenged...
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Posted 20 June 2014 - 03:54 PM

That's a hell of a dip he's got in his lip for that picture. Twins might wanna chat with him about that.


I agree that the tobacco use is a league-wide problem. With that said, it's probably the last substance the Twins are worried about with Rosario...

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 06:59 PM

Rosario is a well-above-average defensive outfielder. He's been playing outfield his whole life. He is a well-below-average defensive 2B.

He is the same hitter regardless of position.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:25 PM

If Rosario and Vargas are playing together in Target Field by August-September and doing reasonably well, with Buxton & Sano on the doorstep, it could set off an off-season frenzy unlike anything we've seen in Twinsville in some time.


If Morales and/or Willingham are in town by August September, where does Vargas fit? Do you pop an outfield glove on him and prey, like they did with Colabello and the shortstops?
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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:29 PM

I respectfully disagree with your position on pot use in America. I am not embarrassed to be an American. I also am not a moron. I have a degree in economics from UNC and a law degree from UNC. I will admit, there is too much emphasis on escaping reality through alcohol and drugs and too many people thinking, "what can the government do for me", when there should be more emphasis on hard work in a free society to keep America strong and safe and to keep the American dream alive and healthy for us and our children. If Rosario had robbed a string of stores at gunpoint, he'd be in prison, rather than being paid to play baseball. I am the happiest I have ever been in my life. I hope you find the peace and happiness which I have. I'll be glad to share more with you about this it if you wish. You may email me at david@statesvillelaw.com.


This post comes off as really, really strange, and extraordinarily out of place on a baseball message board in an article about a baseball player.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 08:19 AM

This post comes off as really, really strange, and extraordinarily out of place on a baseball message board in an article about a baseball player.


Gotta agree. I read his post and was like WTF?