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#21 stringer bell

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 10:50 PM

40 man issue? Cut Diamond. Phew, that was hard. .....or one of three or four guys that will never play here, if Diamond is no longer on the 40. That said, this is just another example of how barren the upper levels are of hitters right now.

Diamond not on the 40.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 11:57 PM

I am not sure Romero helps the team win more than Florimon. If he does, he can be added by moving Pelfrey to the 60 day DL.

They don't need to save that spot for Meyer. If Meyer is coming up something will have happened to open a spot. It could be Guerrier, Burton, Correia or Deduno leaving.

If they are all in to win this year, they need to have the best possible roster for these games against the Tigers and White Sox.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 12:05 AM

The most likely reason for a vacancy on the 25-man roster is disabling of a player. That doesn't open room on the 40-man unless they go on the 60-day list. There are probably a half dozen candidates for recall to fill an injury vacancy who aren't on the 40-man roster. Filling it up so that Romero can sit on the bench for a couple days is unwarranted.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 01:08 AM

The most likely reason for a vacancy on the 25-man roster is disabling of a player. That doesn't open room on the 40-man unless they go on the 60-day list. There are probably a half dozen candidates for recall to fill an injury vacancy who aren't on the 40-man roster. Filling it up so that Romero can sit on the bench for a couple days is unwarranted.


I have to think there is going to be a series of debris-clearing moves from the current logjam of mediocrity, aging veteranness and disappointment at the fringes of the roster coming very soon- whether via Trades, DFAs or DLs. Parmelee, Pelfrey, Deduno, Burton, Swarzak, Thielbar, Guerrier, Correia, Ibarra, Aaron Hicks (as a PTBNL or after the DL ends) are 10 guys who could be on the trading/chopping block or DL'd in the near future. At least 3 of these guys would likely pass through waivers, if the Twins really want to hang on to them.

Though it was prudent to roster Kepler and Polanco at the time, it really is biting the Twins back hard right now in the short-term. It's simply inexplicable that the Twins AAA farm team is in first place, and yet there isn't one guy on the 40-man available who can both play a position in the field besides catcher and has a fighting chance that he can hit major league pitching.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 01:20 AM

The reason they're in first place is a pitching staff with at least a half dozen guys, if not more, who have value to major league teams. I do agree that mistakes were made with the 40-man roster and it, and having too many out-of-options players, has robbed them of flexibility. Much like when the team went to Cleveland with one healthy outfielder, the Twins are currently depth-free with infielders. It is temporary, but because they have little flexibility, they will either make do with what they have and play short or disable someone (Plouffe) and recall the ill-fitting piece (Florimon). It really didn't cost them as much as it could when they went short on outfielders. It seems like they are going to tempt fate again.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 01:36 AM

The reason they're in first place is a pitching staff with at least a half dozen guys, if not more, who have value to major league teams. I do agree that mistakes were made with the 40-man roster and it, and having too many out-of-options players, has robbed them of flexibility. Much like when the team went to Cleveland with one healthy outfielder, the Twins are currently depth-free with infielders. It is temporary, but because they have little flexibility, they will either make do with what they have and play short or disable someone (Plouffe) and recall the ill-fitting piece (Florimon). It really didn't cost them as much as it could when they went short on outfielders. It seems like they are going to tempt fate again.


I am well aware of the Twins pitching prowess in Rochester and have been documenting it, here on TD- kudos to the Twins for constructing large pitching depth in AAA, but the point of a AAA team is to have viable options at all positions at the roster-ready- in that regard, this situation is tied directly into the CF fiasco- a genuine out-of-options Cluster. (The Twins kind-of screwed up the pitching part of the roster as well, by claiming and wasting time with non-entity Brooks Raley in the late spring.)


It seems like they are going to tempt fate again.



The wild card in this current glorious mess injury-triad is Dozier.....

what to do if he has a bad-back setback?

Edited by jokin, 15 June 2014 - 01:46 AM.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 07:47 AM

If Florimon is brought back for the short term the only thing I want to see is; Escobar at third, Santana at short, and Dozier at second (barring health). If Dozier has a setback; Santana second, Florimon short, and Escobar third.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 08:08 AM

While I am way, way to the left of where happy is if Plouffe has to be disabled, I'm not overly upset or concerned that Florimon is being asked to hang around on a double secret probation break glass in case of emergency exits are at the front and rear of the plane as well as over the wings who packed your parachute option.

If disabled for anything more than a week-ish, a move should be made for roster space, (not hard to do), and Romero, a natural 3B with some power and offense, should be up.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 08:43 AM

The most likely reason for a vacancy on the 25-man roster is disabling of a player. That doesn't open room on the 40-man unless they go on the 60-day list. There are probably a half dozen candidates for recall to fill an injury vacancy who aren't on the 40-man roster. Filling it up so that Romero can sit on the bench for a couple days is unwarranted.


I agree. If it a few days though, no one is disabled and Florimon returns without being on the roster. If Plouffe is disabled, it will be more than a few days against teams in division. Romero is only part of the discussion if Plouffe is disabled.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 08:45 AM

It's official:



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Posted 15 June 2014 - 10:58 AM

It's official:



Thank goodness. Neither Florimon nor Romero can contribute to a winning team, and are emergency backups at best; much as how Florimon's glove can not make up for his bat, Romero's bat can not make up for the glove. Florimon, however, creates no 40-man issues at present.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 11:55 AM

What issues? The forty man is filled with guys with so little value......that said, there just isn't any hitting depth at all right now. Perhaps they could deal pitching chaffe for hitting chaffe? Btw, pretty sure in that first post I acknowledged that diamond might not be on the forty......

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :) Also, I am NOT trying to convince anyone I am correct, I'm just talking here, not arguing.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 12:08 PM

Who do you propose should be removed? Beyond that, if someone like Romero is added then he's on the 40 and would have to be exposed to be taken off the 40-man.

The Twins 40-man is full of guys with some value, but not much upside. They seem to be future role players.

Edited by stringer bell, 15 June 2014 - 12:14 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 02:22 PM

Injuries happen (ask Texas). Floriman was an exceptional defender last year; probably can be again. He doesn't hit - ok, that is why he was in the minors. Right now, Twins need bodies that can defend their pitchers; if they need a body, Floriman is probably the best choice. It ain't permanent......


Exactly. And will Florimon even start a game in the next two weeks? Oh the horrors of Florimon sitting on the bench and playing late innings for two weeks! It's a non issue.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 04:52 PM

Who do you propose should be removed?
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(move Pelfrey to 60-day)
Burton
Deduno
Ibarra
Fryer
Florimon
Colabello

(In no particular order) can go and this team might actually be better. Correia too.
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Posted 15 June 2014 - 05:02 PM

Exactly. And will Florimon even start a game in the next two weeks? Oh the horrors of Florimon sitting on the bench and playing late innings for two weeks! It's a non issue.


There's no given that Plouffe is only out for two weeks, or that Nunez is ready to play right away- he may also need a trip to the DL. The Twins say they are going for it, why not try to make it an issue by attempting to upgrade the situation from Florimon?- a guy who is currently struggling at epic proportions, both at the plate and in the field. If the Twins prefer a defensive utility back-up, Doug Bernier should be their guy, he can play all infield positions competently, and he's clearly a better hitter than Florimon. If they want a stick, give Romero a shot. Either way, the team is better for the duration of the Plouffe/Nunez/Dozier injury triad situation.

Edited by jokin, 15 June 2014 - 05:10 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 05:06 PM

(move Pelfrey to 60-day)
Burton
Deduno
Ibarra
Fryer
Florimon
Colabello

(In no particular order) can go and this team might actually be better. Correia too.


Parmelee?
Guerrier? (Trade for C prospect a possibility?)
Swarzak? (Same as above)
Thielbar?

Edited by jokin, 15 June 2014 - 05:09 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 05:35 PM

Playing people out of position, and even in position, but not consistently with the same combination, will continue to bring defensive results like the Detroit series. I sure hope Escobar is not messed with by making the most consistent shortstop on the roster move all over the field. We surely will be playing rotation again. I fear the results. Florimon makes everyone move around even more, unless Gardenhire once more expects someone to play a position they never really played before even in the minors.

Edited by h2oface, 15 June 2014 - 05:37 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 05:58 PM

Parmelee?
Guerrier? (Trade for C prospect a possibility?)
Swarzak? (Same as above)
Thielbar?


Forgot Guerrier. Thanks. Thielbar too. I think that Parmelee and Swarzak do have some value but they are not used correctly.
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Posted 15 June 2014 - 06:32 PM

Okay, let's get creative/ Deduno would easily pass thru waivers and the twins could probably retain him, making a 40-man spot available. Florimon has no business being up here. It should be time to see Debinson Romero everyday at third, if even for a week. Florimon could be jettisoned now, too. His play has been dismal at AAA. drop Deduno and bring in Pino. You still have May in the mix and Kris Johnson if you desire to play musical starters. But if you can give innings to Deduno, you can give a tryout to Pino. Yes, move Pelrey to the 60-day list and hope Correia is gone by the time you need Mike.
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