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#1 stringer bell

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 08:43 PM

Florimon was pulled from the Rochester game tonight. Unless he's injured, I suspect the Twins are going to recall Florimon and put Plouffe on the disabled list. Their choices aren't great, but with Nuñez and Dozier nicked and Plouffe probably headed for the DL, their infield depth is non-existent.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 08:44 PM

Despite 11 errors in 33 AAA games, SS Pedro Florimon is reportedly on the way back to the Twins in Detroit, on a stand-by basis, pending the situation with injuries sustained Saturday by Trevor Plouffe and Eduardo Nunez. Per Chris Fee on Twitter:

[COLOR=#292F33][FONT=Arial]Chris Fee ‏[COLOR=#B1BBC3]@[/COLOR]CJFee 18m[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#292F33][FONT=Helvetica Neue]Was told Florimon will not be officially activated but there as insurance in case someone goes on the DL.[/FONT][/COLOR]

Edited by jokin, 14 June 2014 - 09:49 PM.


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Posted 14 June 2014 - 09:03 PM

Hmmmmm.

Time to play GM:

This team has 3 players who can play SS (Escobar, Dozier, Santana), a couple who can play second base, one who can play third (and happens to be the starting shortstop), Florimon is hitting .237/.292 /.340 in AAA without ever playing an inning at third, while Rochester's starting third baseman (Deibinson Romero) is hitting .302/.402/.444.

Who would you bring up if you were the Twins' GM?

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 09:04 PM

40 Man an issue?

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 09:09 PM

Hmmmmm.

Time to play GM:

This team has 3 players who can play SS (Escobar, Dozier, Santana), a couple who can play second base, one who can play third (and happens to be the starting shortstop), Florimon is hitting .237/.292 /.340 in AAA without ever playing an inning at third, while Rochester's starting third baseman (Deibinson Romero) is hitting .302/.402/.444.

Who would you bring up if you were the Twins' GM?

#knocksheadonthewall

4 if you count Nunez. If you count Dozier at SS, then you count Plouffe as well, 5.

Sadly, it's not the GM making this call is it?

or is it 3 left?

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 09:10 PM

40 Man an issue?


Nope. 60 day Pelfrey. There is a spot
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Posted 14 June 2014 - 09:12 PM

4 if you count Nunez. If you count Dozier at SS, then you count Plouffe as well, 5.

Sadly, it's not the GM making this call is it?


Very true. Should had counted Nunez as a SS. (Nah. Plouffe's SS train passed. He is a corner OF miscast as a third baseman.)
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Posted 14 June 2014 - 09:14 PM

It makes sense. If Plouffe and Nunez can't play, Escobar will have to play 3B. Santana can play SS or CF. Fuld can play CF. Florimon can play SS. Makes sense and he's on the 40 man.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 09:29 PM

Honest question. Who gives them a better chance to win?

Romero at 3B and Escobar at SS.
Escobar at 3B and Florimon at SS.

The 40 man issue is easily solved. This is a key game and 4 more key games coming up.

It makes the most sense to put the Twins in the best position to win. I am not sure if Romero can hit enough to offset Florimon's glove, but I would take my chances with giving him a shot.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 09:35 PM

Yes, there is a 40-man issue. Sure, the club can 60-day Pelfrey, but then if the team wants to call up another player (Meyer?), then there is no room on the 40-man. Especially if the move is short-term, it makes sense to use the player who is already on the 40-man. I really don't want to see Florimon, but the alternatives are limited.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 09:37 PM

Ick.

Ick.

With that said, I guess it makes sense in a "I now want to shotgun a bottle of scotch" sort of way.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 09:38 PM

Rochester's starting third baseman (Deibinson Romero) is hitting .302/.402/.444.

Who would you bring up if you were the Twins' GM?

#knocksheadonthewall


The player with the stone glove? #trickquestion?

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 09:55 PM

The first starter that would be called up for a permanent spot would be May, who's already on the 40-man. I know Bernier isn't on the 40-man, but he can play more positions than just SS and can certainly hit better. I am sure Florimon has a better glove at SS, but he is limited by position. Does Beresford play anything besides 2nd?

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 10:05 PM

Ick.

Ick.

With that said, I guess it makes sense in a "I now want to shotgun a bottle of scotch" sort of way.


You may have to grab the grass to keep from falling off the earth before this turns around...

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 10:07 PM

The first starter that would be called up for a permanent spot would be May, who's already on the 40-man. I know Bernier isn't on the 40-man, but he can play more positions than just SS and can certainly hit better. I am sure Florimon has a better glove at SS, but he is limited by position. Does Beresford play anything besides 2nd?

I am not sure that it would be May. His last two starts have been less than stellar. I actually think it is 50-50 between May and Kris Johnson. Johnson is also on the 40-man and he is LH. He pitched a complete game his last time out with zero walks. May has greater upside, but Johnson might be the better pitcher at this moment.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 10:07 PM

The 40 man issue is easily solved.


You're hired. When can you start?

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 10:11 PM

The first starter that would be called up for a permanent spot would be May, who's already on the 40-man. I know Bernier isn't on the 40-man, but he can play more positions than just SS and can certainly hit better. I am sure Florimon has a better glove at SS, but he is limited by position. Does Beresford play anything besides 2nd?

Bernier had a hot start, but he can't hit any better than P-Flo. His overall numbers look OK, but he hasn't hit much at all for a month.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 10:16 PM

Injuries happen (ask Texas). Floriman was an exceptional defender last year; probably can be again. He doesn't hit - ok, that is why he was in the minors. Right now, Twins need bodies that can defend their pitchers; if they need a body, Floriman is probably the best choice. It ain't permanent......

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 10:21 PM

Injuries happen (ask Texas). Floriman was an exceptional defender last year; probably can be again. He doesn't hit - ok, that is why he was in the minors. Right now, Twins need bodies that can defend their pitchers; if they need a body, Floriman is probably the best choice. It ain't permanent......


Except he's crashing and burning in Rochester, "11 errors in 33 games..."

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 10:25 PM

40 man issue? Cut Diamond. Phew, that was hard. .....or one of three or four guys that will never play here, if Diamond is no longer on the 40. That said, this is just another example of how barren the upper levels are of hitters right now.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 10:50 PM

40 man issue? Cut Diamond. Phew, that was hard. .....or one of three or four guys that will never play here, if Diamond is no longer on the 40. That said, this is just another example of how barren the upper levels are of hitters right now.

Diamond not on the 40.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 11:57 PM

I am not sure Romero helps the team win more than Florimon. If he does, he can be added by moving Pelfrey to the 60 day DL.

They don't need to save that spot for Meyer. If Meyer is coming up something will have happened to open a spot. It could be Guerrier, Burton, Correia or Deduno leaving.

If they are all in to win this year, they need to have the best possible roster for these games against the Tigers and White Sox.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 12:05 AM

The most likely reason for a vacancy on the 25-man roster is disabling of a player. That doesn't open room on the 40-man unless they go on the 60-day list. There are probably a half dozen candidates for recall to fill an injury vacancy who aren't on the 40-man roster. Filling it up so that Romero can sit on the bench for a couple days is unwarranted.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 01:08 AM

The most likely reason for a vacancy on the 25-man roster is disabling of a player. That doesn't open room on the 40-man unless they go on the 60-day list. There are probably a half dozen candidates for recall to fill an injury vacancy who aren't on the 40-man roster. Filling it up so that Romero can sit on the bench for a couple days is unwarranted.


I have to think there is going to be a series of debris-clearing moves from the current logjam of mediocrity, aging veteranness and disappointment at the fringes of the roster coming very soon- whether via Trades, DFAs or DLs. Parmelee, Pelfrey, Deduno, Burton, Swarzak, Thielbar, Guerrier, Correia, Ibarra, Aaron Hicks (as a PTBNL or after the DL ends) are 10 guys who could be on the trading/chopping block or DL'd in the near future. At least 3 of these guys would likely pass through waivers, if the Twins really want to hang on to them.

Though it was prudent to roster Kepler and Polanco at the time, it really is biting the Twins back hard right now in the short-term. It's simply inexplicable that the Twins AAA farm team is in first place, and yet there isn't one guy on the 40-man available who can both play a position in the field besides catcher and has a fighting chance that he can hit major league pitching.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 01:20 AM

The reason they're in first place is a pitching staff with at least a half dozen guys, if not more, who have value to major league teams. I do agree that mistakes were made with the 40-man roster and it, and having too many out-of-options players, has robbed them of flexibility. Much like when the team went to Cleveland with one healthy outfielder, the Twins are currently depth-free with infielders. It is temporary, but because they have little flexibility, they will either make do with what they have and play short or disable someone (Plouffe) and recall the ill-fitting piece (Florimon). It really didn't cost them as much as it could when they went short on outfielders. It seems like they are going to tempt fate again.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 01:36 AM

The reason they're in first place is a pitching staff with at least a half dozen guys, if not more, who have value to major league teams. I do agree that mistakes were made with the 40-man roster and it, and having too many out-of-options players, has robbed them of flexibility. Much like when the team went to Cleveland with one healthy outfielder, the Twins are currently depth-free with infielders. It is temporary, but because they have little flexibility, they will either make do with what they have and play short or disable someone (Plouffe) and recall the ill-fitting piece (Florimon). It really didn't cost them as much as it could when they went short on outfielders. It seems like they are going to tempt fate again.


I am well aware of the Twins pitching prowess in Rochester and have been documenting it, here on TD- kudos to the Twins for constructing large pitching depth in AAA, but the point of a AAA team is to have viable options at all positions at the roster-ready- in that regard, this situation is tied directly into the CF fiasco- a genuine out-of-options Cluster. (The Twins kind-of screwed up the pitching part of the roster as well, by claiming and wasting time with non-entity Brooks Raley in the late spring.)


[COLOR=#333333]It seems like they are going to tempt fate again.[/COLOR]



The wild card in this current glorious mess injury-triad is Dozier.....

what to do if he has a bad-back setback?

Edited by jokin, 15 June 2014 - 01:46 AM.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 07:47 AM

If Florimon is brought back for the short term the only thing I want to see is; Escobar at third, Santana at short, and Dozier at second (barring health). If Dozier has a setback; Santana second, Florimon short, and Escobar third.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 08:08 AM

While I am way, way to the left of where happy is if Plouffe has to be disabled, I'm not overly upset or concerned that Florimon is being asked to hang around on a double secret probation break glass in case of emergency exits are at the front and rear of the plane as well as over the wings who packed your parachute option.

If disabled for anything more than a week-ish, a move should be made for roster space, (not hard to do), and Romero, a natural 3B with some power and offense, should be up.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 08:43 AM

The most likely reason for a vacancy on the 25-man roster is disabling of a player. That doesn't open room on the 40-man unless they go on the 60-day list. There are probably a half dozen candidates for recall to fill an injury vacancy who aren't on the 40-man roster. Filling it up so that Romero can sit on the bench for a couple days is unwarranted.


I agree. If it a few days though, no one is disabled and Florimon returns without being on the roster. If Plouffe is disabled, it will be more than a few days against teams in division. Romero is only part of the discussion if Plouffe is disabled.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 08:45 AM

It's official: