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#1 stringer bell

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 07:26 AM

Will the Twins beat the Brewers in four sets? The first three: 2-6, 6-4, 6-4, so a 7-5 or 7-6 win would do the trick.

I read the dead tree strib while having breakfast this morning and Reusse had an article about Santana--worth a read. Three points he made--it was an embarrassment to all for Hicks to profess no confidence as a LH hitter and abandon switch hitting. He made a Santana comparison to Cesar Tovar who I believe is in the Twins Hall of Fame. Third, he said that Santana in center is better than no Santana at all.

Fuld is going on rehab to New Britain? Well, Danny Ortiz just got promoted to Rochester, so maybe they didn't want to mess with the Red Wings some more.

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 07:36 AM

Could you post a link?

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 07:51 AM

Could you post a link?


I think it says he read the newspaper. linking to a newspaper would be an interesting trick.

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 08:05 AM

I find it fascinating that Hicks is basically benched since he made the change, for a SS. I say ride Santana while he is hot, why not?
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 08:25 AM

I find it fascinating that Hicks is basically benched since he made the change, for a SS. I say ride Santana while he is hot, why not?


I've kind of assumed that's what's happening here. Santana is hitting well enough that he should be in the lineup for now. Since Escobar is also one of our better hitters at the moment, that means Santana ends up in CF in place of a pretty iffy hitter. If he ever cools off it will be interesting to see what happens, will Hicks start getting regular playing time, or will he have been demoted for Fuld by then?

I'm also curious to see if Santana eventually gets so much playing time out there that he actually looks mildly comfortable, cause so far I haven't seen much to indicate he has any instincts for the position at all, just raw tools and athleticism. I do like having him in the lineup, though, he's fun to watch.

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 08:29 AM

I'd prefer Santana at SS, but that seems unlikely, so play him in CF, I guess.
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 08:30 AM

Could you post a link?


I believe this is the Reusse article in question:

http://www.startribu.../261929191.html

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 08:52 AM

From Reusse:

Gardenhire’s recent lineups have had Santana batting first. If the rookie can pull it off, that allows Brian Dozier to move to a better spot for him, second, and will make for a better-looking lineup card.


I guess there's no real harm in this while he's the hot hand, but this seems kinda stupid otherwise. Santana doesn't walk, probably isn't a high enough AVG hitter to make up for it in terms of OBP, and K's a lot. His batting numbers so far scream unsustainable. And you want to remake your whole lineup for this guy? He might be one of our top 9 hitters at the moment, but he probably isn't even top 6, and this is the guy you want to give the most plate appearances on the whole team?

What's wrong with Dozier at leadoff? It's tempting to want to see those HR in the middle of the order, but he's probably not our top HR hitter long-term. He's a great OBP guy, and a solid 2B/HR/SB threat, and he's been excelling in the leadoff role for awhile now. Plus, Dozier-Mauer-Willingham-Arcia-Plouffe/Pinto has a nice alternating flow to it.

Are we still that committed to getting Mauer back to the #3 spot? Not bashing Mauer, but he looks less like a #3 hitter than ever before. We should consider ourselves lucky we've got a well-rounded RH bat to slot in front of him, and an apparently healthy RH power bat behind him, and quit messing around with marginal bats at the top of the lineup.

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 09:00 AM

[COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]It was embarrassing for all a week ago, when it was announced that Hicks had decided to give into the statistics and abandon switch-hitting. To have a 24-year-old trying to [/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=inherit][COLOR=#009900][FONT=inherit]learn[/FONT][/COLOR]Posted Image[/FONT][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial] on the fly to bat right-handed against big-league righthanders brought on some much-deserved ridicule.[/FONT][/COLOR]


I agree with his 2nd point about learning to hit RH pitching from the right side on the fly, and I think most of us agree it should be in AAA. But I strongly dislike he used the phrase "embarrassing for all" for Hicks to give up hitting left handed. I think it would be more embarrassing for him to try and stick to something he doesn't feel comfortable doing against major league pitching and continue to struggle. A lot of posters here have been saying for years he should give it up. I think it's more of a mature thing to do than an embarrassing one. Just my two cents.

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 09:04 AM

I guess there's no real harm in this while he's the hot hand, but this seems kinda stupid otherwise. Santana doesn't walk, probably isn't a high enough AVG hitter to make up for it in terms of OBP, and K's a lot. His batting numbers so far scream unsustainable. And you want to remake your whole lineup for this guy? He might be one of our top 9 hitters at the moment, but he probably isn't even top 6, and this is the guy you want to give the most plate appearances on the whole team?

What's wrong with Dozier at leadoff? It's tempting to want to see those HR in the middle of the order, but he's probably not our top HR hitter long-term. He's a great OBP guy, and a solid 2B/HR/SB threat, and he's been excelling in the leadoff role for awhile now. Plus, Dozier-Mauer-Willingham-Arcia-Plouffe/Pinto has a nice alternating flow to it.

Are we still that committed to getting Mauer back to the #3 spot? Not bashing Mauer, but he looks less like a #3 hitter than ever before. We should consider ourselves lucky we've got a well-rounded RH bat to slot in front of him, and an apparently healthy RH power bat behind him, and quit messing around with marginal bats at the top of the lineup.


Since the one and only legit leadoff guy was traded away, Gardy has been doing the hot-hand-hunch theory of leadoff guy (minus the ill-fated Month of Hicks, April, 2013). Santana currently fills the bill.

But, I am simply stunned how Gardy has overlooked his most obvious hot-bat guy to lead off against RHP pitchers--Eduardo Escobar has a .350 OBP against righties in 108 PAs- and has yet to bat leadoff.

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 09:13 AM

Will the Twins beat the Brewers in four sets? The first three: 2-6, 6-4, 6-4, so a 7-5 or 7-6 win would do the trick.


I'd like to finish with and easy six-love set, but I don't think our serve is going to get us there today.

...it was an embarrassment to all for Hicks to profess no confidence as a LH hitter and abandon switch hitting.


Why? He's barely been to the plate since then, but in the few opportunities he has had he hasn't done anything embarrassing (or at least not as embarrassing as hitting <.150, like he was doing left-handed.)

The only thing that should have been embarrassing is the fact that a bunch of bloggers identified this as a logical move quite a while ago and management is still holding on to the idea that he might be able to make switch hitting work.

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 09:21 AM

I find it fascinating that Hicks is basically benched since he made the change, for a SS. I say ride Santana while he is hot, why not?


I think it's the perfect scenario for Hicks, also as a note he wasn't benched right away, they threw him out to the wolves for about 5 games after he made the switch. Now it gives Hicks the time to really work on hitting RHP as a righty in the cages/BP and build up his confidence that way.

I legimatelly felt terrible for the guy when they tossed him out there to face Tanaka, but he at least showed signs of holding his own.

Santana is nothing more than a band-aid in CF at this point IMO, Fuld doesn't do anything for me either. Either Hicks needs to step up or the Twins need to bring one in via trade.
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 09:23 AM

What's wrong with Dozier at leadoff? It's tempting to want to see those HR in the middle of the order, but he's probably not our top HR hitter long-term. He's a great OBP guy, and a solid 2B/HR/SB threat, and he's been excelling in the leadoff role for awhile now. Plus, Dozier-Mauer-Willingham-Arcia-Plouffe/Pinto has a nice alternating flow to it.


The play 2nd, bat 2nd has been an institution for this org SIR! Let's just be happy that for the first time in near forever it actually is slotted by a player who is an impact player.
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 09:48 AM

Dozier has certainly been a viable leadoff guy this year. He was riding a .380 OBP early with all the walks he received, but it was down to .333 at the nadir of his slump. Dozier would be fine at every place in the lineup and I think the need is greatest at leadoff long term.

Even though he hasn't played much this year, all conversation of center field has to include the best prospect the Twins have had (maybe I should put that in bold), at least since Joe Mauer. I like Buxton a lot, and I think Terry Ryan likes him more. I still believe, if he gets on the field this month, that he will be starting in Minnesota next year, probably before the All-Star break.

I believe the headline in the paper strib read something like "Santana in Center is better than no Santana" or something like that. Patrick makes the point that converting to center for a shortstop shouldn't be too tough. I agree, but it is a questionable strategy for Santana.

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 01:18 PM

So now hitting batting cage fastballs is where Hicks needs to be?

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 02:58 PM

The Twins are better off with Hicks batting 9th and hitting right handed exclusively, than they are with Santana playing center.

This Ruesse column is just another club press release at the expense of a young player going through a deep struggle.

I am OK with Santana in the lineup, but he should either play short or DH.

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 03:26 PM

The Twins are better off with Hicks batting 9th and hitting right handed exclusively, than they are with Santana playing center.

This Ruesse column is just another club press release at the expense of a young player going through a deep struggle.

I am OK with Santana in the lineup, but he should either play short or DH.


Yeah, I thought it was kind-of like an undeclared unilateral truce from the OF Outrage that Reusse's been haranguing about over the last couple weeks. But I also think that in the process, Reusse looks like he can move forward, silently claiming victory now that he's found out that Santana was going to play every day and not sit for weeks with his eyelid laceration.

It's kind of funny, as Reusse was complaining and casting doubts about Gomez, for doing some of the same stuff that now is OK for Santana to do, when Gomez first took CF for the Twins.

But you're right, Santana should be playing SS every day, somewhere, he needs every rep he can get, and his BA and OBP look to be ready to go ripe here at any moment.

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 03:52 PM

No Reusse is not in the business of spouting the party line for a club. No chance that was the reason for this. Zero.