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#1 TKGuy

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 10:11 AM

Other than a two game series in Milwaukee, the Twins will not be playing in a National League park for a month. The Twins are all but certain to call up Arcia to be ready for the homestand. I am assuming that Hermann will be sent back to Rochester. Willingham will be coming to the end of his rehab assignment and is 2 for 16 for the Red Wings. At that point, I think Santana will go down. However, what are they going to do when Fuld is ready to return? Would you send Hicks down? Do we really need Fuld at this point anyways? Since Fuld was injured, Parmelee was added to the 40-man and has certainly earned a spot to continue on the 25 man roster. Then you have the added fact that Pelfrey is set to return from rehab. It does not make any sense to take Deduno out of the rotation since he has earned a spot in my opinion. That just leaves Correia or Pelfrey. Correia pitched OK last night, but the Padres are not a hitting juggernaut and Petco Park makes Target Field feel like Camden Yards, so I am not sure that proved anything.

In my opinion, you add the Hammer and Arcia back onto the 25 man roster, and option Santana and Hermann back to Rochester. You only have one spot available in the rotation for Correia and Pelfrey. I think Correia is more tradeable at this point, so I would see what you could get for him and dump him, especially since he is a FA after the season and Pelf's contract is now an albatross to a trade. Problem is, Meyer, May and Darnell seem to give the Twins a better chance to win than these two, and would also create more buzz around the team since ticket sales are lagging. If I was in control I would DFA both of Correia and Pelfrey and bring up one of Meyer, May or Darnell to be the 5th starter. Then you would have to figure out what to do with Fuld.

In summary, its a mess of mediocrity.

Edited by TKGuy, 21 May 2014 - 11:26 AM.


#2 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 10:17 AM

[quote name='TKGuy']In my opinion, you add the Hammer and Arcia back onto the 25 man roster, and option Santana and Hermann back to Rochester.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

[quote name='TKGuy']You only have one spot available in the rotation for Correia and Pelfrey. I think Correia is more tradeable at this point, so I would see what you could get for him and dump him, especially since he is a FA after the season and Pelf's contract is now an albatross to a trade. Problem is, Meyer, May and Darnell seem to give the Twins a better chance to win than these two, and would also create more buzz around the team since ticket sales are lagging. If I was in control I would DFA both of Correia and Pelfrey and bring up one of Meyer, May or Darnell to be the 5th starter.[/quote]

I don't think Correia can be traded. I'm fine with a DFA if he continues to struggle. As for Pelfrey, I'm also fine with him getting the nod IF he's throwing in the low 90s again. If he's not, DL him again or DFA him if he won't "come down" with an injury. The guy is flat-out useless unless he's throwing hard.

[quote name='TKGuy']Then you would have to figure out what to do with Fuld.[/quote]

Fuld needs to stay with the team as an insurance policy. I'd consider demoting Hicks unless he continues to post a .200+ batting average. The moment he slips, he gets sent to Rochester.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 10:26 AM

I'd consider demoting Hicks unless he continues to post a .200+ batting average. The moment he slips, he gets sent to Rochester.


Can we rename it the Mendoza-Hicks line? That kind of has a ring to it.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 10:29 AM

[QUOTE=Brock Beauchamp;230690

I don't think Correia can be traded. I'm fine with a DFA if he continues to struggle. As for Pelfrey, I'm also fine with him getting the nod IF he's throwing in the low 90s again. If he's not, DL him again or DFA him if he won't "come down" with an injury. The guy is flat-out useless unless he's throwing hard.
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I have a hard time believing the Yankees would not trade for Correia. Career 4.49 ERA, 4.18 last year. He has had a few rocky starts this year. But with CC and Pineda currently out CC maybe for awhile I would think we could move him there.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 10:29 AM

I have a hard time believing the Yankees would not trade for Correia. Career 4.49 ERA, 4.18 last year. He has had a few rocky starts this year. But with CC and Pineda currently out CC maybe for awhile I would think we could move him there.


It's possible. I'd definitely explore trading him before DFA, that's for sure.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 10:37 AM

I don't see either having much value, though given the way the AAA pitching has worked out, I'd be happy trading either for a bucket of baseballs as their replacements should be pretty nice upgrades and there's plenty of depth if they fail.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 10:41 AM

I have a hard time believing the Yankees would not trade for Correia. Career 4.49 ERA, 4.18 last year. He has had a few rocky starts this year. But with CC and Pineda currently out CC maybe for awhile I would think we could move him there.


I would take anything they offered just to see him pitch for the Yankees in the new stadium. How many fly ball outs in last night's game would have been HRs there? I counted at least three. Phil Hughes had an ERA over 5 there; I'd set the over/under for Correia at 5.50 at the minimum.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 10:59 AM

How many pitchers are the Twins carrying right now? 12 or 13? If it is 13, you send down a pitcher when Fuld is ready. If the Twins are only carrying 12 pitchers, then when Fuld is ready it might be time to send Colabello down.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 11:15 AM

They have 12 pitchers,Tonkin went down or Herrmann. Herrmann, Santana and Hicks or Colabello go down when Arcia, Hammer and Fuld return.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 11:29 AM

Correia has four quality starts out of nine. He has the same amount of quality starts as Nolasco and Gibson have, but the bullpen has cost him a couple wins. He had a couple terrible games and one other that looked terrible on paper because the defense was terrible, but weren't charged with errors. He deserves every chance to pitch through things after the leash they gave Pelfrey. If they can trade him, fine, but he doesn't deserve to be released by any stretch. Pelfrey still has an option IIRC. When his rehab is done, just keep him in Rochester like they did with Arcia until someone gets hurt, or traded. He shouldn't be anywhere near the team when they are still around .500 unless he earns it. The money they wasted on him is gone either way, and if it's paying him to stay in Rochester until he can show he's a big league pitcher again, so be it.

And I think Colabello will get sent down when it's necessary. At this point he's gone as long bringing nothing to the table as he did when he was on his hot streak. Kubel has been slumping as well, but at least he mixes in a hit and catches the balls hit to him.

Edited by Hawkeye12, 21 May 2014 - 11:31 AM.


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Posted 21 May 2014 - 11:48 AM

When his rehab is done, just keep him in Rochester like they did with Arcia until someone gets hurt, or traded.



Unfortunately, I don't think this is an option with KC. The Twins had to burn an option with Arcia to make this work. KC has a major league contract and I'm pretty sure he can refuse the assignment and walk away with 6M.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 11:54 AM

Pretty simple from my point of view

Arcia for Herrmann
Willingham for Colabello
Fuld for Santana

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 11:55 AM

Forgot about Pelfrey. We'll have to wait and see the results. Some other pitcher might be hurt by then.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 12:01 PM

Pretty simple from my point of view

Arcia for Herrmann
Willingham for Colabello
Fuld for Santana


I just logged in to post this exactly. If Willingham is ready after the allstar break then you could put Kubel instead of Colabello though right now Colabello is the one to go down. I say after the allstar break because Colabello needs to right his ship first and show he is a capable right-handed bat off the bench first.

I will add that Herman is the weakest player so he goes back first. Then it comes down to Colabello or Kubel. then the back up CF Fuld replaces the current back up CF Santana. Unless Santana is showing he belongs to the point where Hicks needs to be demoted. But I think the Twins would prefer Santana to be playing everyday.

Edited by Brandon, 21 May 2014 - 12:04 PM.


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Posted 21 May 2014 - 12:05 PM

Unfortunately, I don't think this is an option with KC. The Twins had to burn an option with Arcia to make this work. KC has a major league contract and I'm pretty sure he can refuse the assignment and walk away with 6M.


Correct on Correia, but I think Pelfrey still has an option left. So when his three weeks rehab assignment is up, just burn the last option to stash him at Rochester until a better solution comes up.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 12:15 PM

Colabello can be sent down, and I imagine Kubel could be DFA'd before you get rid of Fuld or KC.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 12:17 PM

Correct on Correia, but I think Pelfrey still has an option left. So when his three weeks rehab assignment is up, just burn the last option to stash him at Rochester until a better solution comes up.


It's not a matter of having options left. Once you have enough much service time (5 years, I think?), you can refuse any assignment to AAA and become a free agent (and still collect your salary). Options are meaningless at that point.

As an extreme example, Joe Mauer probably has all of his options left, but the Twins couldn't simply assign him to AAA without his permission (not anymore at least -- his first few seasons, it could have been done).

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 12:21 PM

The Twins might prefer to keep Santana over Fuld, since he offers the flexibility of playing SS or CF and he's a way better hitter than Fuld... Not to mention, he appears to be a key piece in the Twins' future, while Fuld is just filler... Colabello will definitely be heading to Rochester, along with Hermann... If Hicks' hot streak goes ice cold again, he may be headed east when the roster moves are needed...

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 12:51 PM

I agree with the common thought of who gets sent down when players are activated. However I disagree on pitchers. I think the Twins should attempt to trade Burton and let Pelfry take his spot and leave Corria where he is unless he continues to be terrible thrn DFA him although a trade is certainly preferrable. I think Burton at this point might have more trade value then KC or MP and if MPcan regain his velocity plus a coupke ticks working out of the bpen maybe we could recoup some of the 11mil in trade

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 01:21 PM

Who stays and who goes depends on playing time. Collabello could go if Parmalee stays because he could play every day at Rochester, which would be more vakuable to him (and he Twins) in the long run. Fuld would replace Santana, who also could play everyday. Better to have Nunez sitting on the bench. Herrmann also has options. In the pitching department, the only pitcher with true options, I believe is Fien, and he won't be sent out. Anyone else has to pass thru waivers and, except for Guerrier, would not clear...even Burton and his salary. Still surprised that Pinto remains as he could play every day and get added exposure by catching future Twins (as well as decrease service time), except Fryer is totally useless currently with the Red Wings. Better yet, why is Fryer still on the roster and why isn't someone, anyone promoted up to Rochester.
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Posted 21 May 2014 - 01:30 PM

Who stays and who goes depends on playing time. Collabello could go if Parmalee stays because he could play every day at Rochester, which would be more vakuable to him (and he Twins) in the long run. Fuld would replace Santana, who also could play everyday. Better to have Nunez sitting on the bench. Herrmann also has options. In the pitching department, the only pitcher with true options, I believe is Fien, and he won't be sent out. Anyone else has to pass thru waivers and, except for Guerrier, would not clear...even Burton and his salary. Still surprised that Pinto remains as he could play every day and get added exposure by catching future Twins (as well as decrease service time), except Fryer is totally useless currently with the Red Wings. Better yet, why is Fryer still on the roster and why isn't someone, anyone promoted up to Rochester.


I may be wrong here and please correct me if that is the case, but I believe Pinto's service time would continue to run even if he is sent down so if service time is the only reason to send him down, he may as well stay with the big league club.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 01:43 PM

I may be wrong here and please correct me if that is the case, but I believe Pinto's service time would continue to run even if he is sent down so if service time is the only reason to send him down, he may as well stay with the big league club.


Service time only counts in the big leagues or on the big league DL.

So although you hear the term "starting the clock", you can stop the clock whenever you'd like.

With that being send, I don't think there is any way you send Pinto down. Colabello on the other hand...

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 01:56 PM

Fuld needs to stay with the team as an insurance policy. I'd consider demoting Hicks unless he continues to post a .200+ batting average. The moment he slips, he gets sent to Rochester.


Someone check with Elias Sports Bureau. Is there a team in MLB history to DFA 4 real, actual, bona fide CFers off of their 40-man roster in less than 2 months time?

After what the Twins have just gone through, there is no way they are just going to walk away from Fuld, especially with the shaky nature of Hicks's status with the team. Looking at the active roster, they have one decent OF, two barely accpetable ones (in Kubel and Paremelee) with the rest being various forms of dreadful or playing out of position.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 01:57 PM

I would take anything they offered just to see him pitch for the Yankees in the new stadium. How many fly ball outs in last night's game would have been HRs there? I counted at least three. Phil Hughes had an ERA over 5 there; I'd set the over/under for Correia at 5.50 at the minimum.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 01:58 PM

Service time only counts in the big leagues or on the big league DL.

So although you hear the term "starting the clock", you can stop the clock whenever you'd like.

With that being send, I don't think there is any way you send Pinto down. Colabello on the other hand...


I would put up a reasonable wager that Cola will be down within a couple weeks. RH for RH would be the natual switch once the Hammer is ready.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 02:11 PM

Service time only counts in the big leagues or on the big league DL.

So although you hear the term "starting the clock", you can stop the clock whenever you'd like.

With that being send, I don't think there is any way you send Pinto down. Colabello on the other hand...


Thank you for the clarification.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 02:35 PM

Someone check with Elias Sports Bureau. Is there a team in MLB history to DFA 4 real, actual, bona fide CFers off of their 40-man roster in less than 2 months time?

After what the Twins have just gone through, there is no way they are just going to walk away from Fuld, especially with the shaky nature of Hicks's status with the team. Looking at the active roster, they have one decent OF, two barely accpetable ones (in Kubel and Paremelee) with the rest being various forms of dreadful or playing out of position.


They aren't going to DFA Fuld, but neither Fuld nor Presley is a real, actual, bona fide CFer either. Fuld has 91 of 320 games in the outfield in center. Presley has 46 of 237 (and 28 were with the Twins). Mastro was a true CF, but you can't steal first so he was expendable.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 02:50 PM

Where does Santana play when he goes back to Rochester, CF? I agree with the notion that every day PA's is of most benefit but if he's stuck behind P-Flo at SS there's something wrong. When he goes back the priority should be making him the everyday SS with an eye to being that with the Twins next spring.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 02:59 PM

He deserves every chance to pitch through things after the leash they gave Pelfrey. If they can trade him, fine, but he doesn't deserve to be released by any stretch.


I know this wasn't your entire thought but just because the Twins messed up with Pelfrey shouldn't dictate they do the same with Correia. This is a sport and these are millionaires. The goal is to win, not to make things fair for each player.

Bottome line, if May, Meyer or Darnell are better pitchers and there is nowhere you can put Correia, he needs to get DFA'd. Sorry if it's not fair for him, but there are 24 other players on the roster who may not think it's fair that they are losing games they may otherwise win with a better in-house pitcher.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 03:04 PM

They aren't going to DFA Fuld, but neither Fuld nor Presley is a real, actual, bona fide CFer either. Fuld has 91 of 320 games in the outfield in center. Presley has 46 of 237 (and 28 were with the Twins). Mastro was a true CF, but you can't steal first so he was expendable.


Until Buxton is ready to take the job full-time, the Twins simply have to have guys like Fuld, who are reasonable facsimiles to real CF's, particularly compared to every other option not named Hicks, within the organization.