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#1 diehardtwinsfan

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 05:07 PM

Apparently, the folks in Philly are pretty tired of Revere. He hasn't progressed as liked and cannot keep an OBP over .300.

http://www.csnphilly...everyday-player

With that in mind, May is looking like he can be a solid mid-rotation arm, and while I won't argue on the Worley disaster, it seems so far like the Twins may have gotten the better part of the trade.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 05:37 PM

Ill agree...unless you add up Revere's web gems on Baseball Tonight. I am a Maybeliever.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 05:47 PM

Twins finally did something right and traded a player when the value was the highest.

Normally, they like to trade low (Gomez, Hardy, ect...)

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 06:19 PM

Twins finally did something right and traded a player when the value was the highest.

Normally, they like to trade low (Gomez, Hardy, ect...)


You're not in any danger of winning compliment of the tear for this one.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 07:06 PM

Let's not jump the gun on May yet. He has K'd a lot of hitters but he has a 4.44 ERA as a Twin. Revere OTOH is exactly who we thought he was. A marginal CF'er that only does two things well (hit singles and steal bases). And right now he isn't even hitting singles.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 07:21 PM

The Twins took the risk side, but it is very hard to acquire starting pitching prospects. The prospect side is going to lose more often than win. However, winning by finding a starting pitcher is the bigger pay off. Given another similar opportunity, they need to pull the trigger again.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 07:36 PM

Let's not jump the gun on May yet. He has K'd a lot of hitters but he has a 4.44 ERA as a Twin. Revere OTOH is exactly who we thought he was. A marginal CF'er that only does two things well (hit singles and steal bases). And right now he isn't even hitting singles.


I would add his glove is pretty amazing as well. He has 3 plus tools and two 20 skills (on a scale of 20-80).

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 07:40 PM

The Twins took the risk side, but it is very hard to acquire starting pitching prospects. The prospect side is going to lose more often than win. However, winning by finding a starting pitcher is the bigger pay off. Given another similar opportunity, they need to pull the trigger again.


I don't have a problem with the trade despite the pumpkin that Worley turned into but I think it's a bit early to call May a middle of the rotation starter.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 07:42 PM

I would add his glove is pretty amazing as well. He has 3 plus tools and two 20 skills (on a scale of 20-80).


His defense isn't that good (not a plus skill) since that article said the same things that were said about him while he was a Twin. Poor routes, good speed to make highlight catches and a noodle arm.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 07:46 PM

I really liked the trade when it happened. Less so after Vanimal flamed out. But I think of May's floor as a bullpen guy so if he could give a few good years in relief its a still a fine trade.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 07:54 PM

I don't have a problem with the trade despite the pumpkin that Worley turned into but I think it's a bit early to call May a middle of the rotation starter.


I don't think anyone called him anything but a prospect. He appeared in the top 100 list and I believe was as high as the number 2 Phillie prospect. Starting pitching prospects are difficult to acquire and a risk that they will ever reach their potential.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 08:16 PM

I don't think anyone called him anything but a prospect. He appeared in the top 100 list and I believe was as high as the number 2 Phillie prospect. Starting pitching prospects are difficult to acquire and a risk that they will ever reach their potential.

The OP did.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 08:39 PM

I would add his glove is pretty amazing as well. He has 3 plus tools and two 20 skills (on a scale of 20-80).


I'd say he has one plus tool at this stage. Range is about a 30 at best. His hit tool is about a 40 at best. Speed is probably 60. Arm and power are 20.

He's a marginal center fielder. His UZR last year was -2.3. This year, it's already -2.0, his UZR/150 is -8.8. Apparently, the range is slipping with age. That, combined with a .591 OPS, and he's a huge liability. May doesn't have to be better than a fifth starter/long man for the Twins to win this trade.
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Posted 18 May 2014 - 10:27 PM

Twins finally did something right and traded a player when the value was the highest.

Normally, they like to trade low (Gomez, Hardy, ect...)


AJ, Buchanan, Span, Revere, Milton, Kelly, Knoblauch, Tyler, Keilty, Bullock ...

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 10:29 PM

Let's not jump the gun on May yet. He has K'd a lot of hitters but he has a 4.44 ERA as a Twin. Revere OTOH is exactly who we thought he was. A marginal CF'er that only does two things well (hit singles and steal bases). And right now he isn't even hitting singles.


ERA in the minors isn't all that important - it'd be a bit better with a little luck and/or better defense. Right now what's important is his ability to limit walks, which has been great since the AFL.

#16 diehardtwinsfan

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 05:46 AM

The OP did.


I think you may have misunderstood me here. May is a prospect, and as I said, he's looking more and more like he can be a solid mid-rotation arm.

I wouldn't call him a top prospect, and I didn't do this in my original post. May was at one time a top prospect in the Philly system, but he was already sliding when the Twins aquired him. In the end, I'm still rather surprised that the Twins managed to get both Worley and May for Revere. He was worth more than I thought he would be...

Regardless of how it turns out, it was the type of move Ryan needed to make.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 06:18 AM

While Revere would have allowed Hicks some more time in the minors, in the long run, both Philly and Washington not enamored with the CF they received from us

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 07:26 AM

While Revere would have allowed Hicks some more time in the minors, in the long run, both Philly and Washington not enamored with the CF they received from us


Yeah, I am really surprised on how poorly Span has been in Washington. I thought he'd hit better in the NL.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 07:28 AM

They clearly traded high on him. The question is open, imo, about whether they got anything for him, but May has been mostly encouraging....and I remain hopeful.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :)


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Posted 19 May 2014 - 07:31 AM

I don't care if May/Worley work out, this was a smart trade. It's unfortunate the Worley collapsed (figured he was a decent back of the rotation arm) but the writing was on the wall that Revere was, at his peak, a mediocre player.

And guys with his skillset rarely stay at their peak for very long. He literally has one tool, speed.

And speed is the most volatile of the tools, as it tends to disappear suddenly and without warning.