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#41 cmathewson

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 06:10 AM

A cup of coffee for Vargas wouldn't have been a bad idea. He could function as a pinch hitter and be an upgrade over Herrmann, but in the end, I'm not sure this is really going to have much of an impact either way.

I suspect Colabello is going to get optioned on Saturday for Arcia or sooner for Willingham, and Herrmann will get returned to the minors as soon as the other is ready.


I'm not a fan of calling guys up from AA for short-term bench assignments. If he's ready to skip a level, he's good enough to start at the DH position. I don't think that's the case. With Willingham and Arcia a week away, it makes sense to use Hermann as filler. He'll be a Red Wing again before the month is out.
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#42 Kirby_waved_at_me

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 06:39 AM

The good news is that the Twins have reduced the pitching staff down to 12!

Arcia will probably be taking Herrmann's place soon. Willingham will come back soon as well, and he'll take over for , uh, Colabello? And when Fuld returns, he'll be taking either Santana or Nuñez's spot on the 25. Probably Santana.

As others mentioned, there was really only one move available to add a position player since everyone else on the 40-Man is either a prospect (Vargas, Kepler, Polanco), rehabbing (Fuld/Hammer/Arcia), or Eric Fryer.

I suppose they could have called up Florimon again, but really, there was little choice in the matter. Herrmann or make no moves and just wait for one of Arcia/Hammer/Fuld to be ready.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 07:26 AM

Can we get some sort of TD "Aricia is eligible to come up" countdown clock?

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 07:33 AM

As long as Hermann is a placeholder for Arcia, this is a no-brainer. If he hits like crazy (which probably wouldn't last, but why not ride it) either Sanata or Nunez could be sent down when Arcia's ready. Santana's played a lot better than I expected, but as many others have said he clearly needs more work, and more instruction.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 09:29 AM

I'm not a fan of calling guys up from AA for short-term bench assignments. If he's ready to skip a level, he's good enough to start at the DH position. I don't think that's the case. With Willingham and Arcia a week away, it makes sense to use Hermann as filler. He'll be a Red Wing again before the month is out.


For 2 games in San Diego, then yes, it makes sense, provided Hammer can join the team in San Francisco. But Hermann's value to the big club is less than filler, if not for Florimon, he was literally the worst hitter in all of baseball while he was up previously, and was pretty bad in the OF, as well. And finally, I don't want him called up because it invites Gardy to consider continuing the 3-catcher boondoggle roster should he keep the 12 pitcher alignment after next Sunday.

Vargas might fail spectacularly, but it does nothing to hurt his future development in only 5 games on the roster, and it gives the Twins a better chance to gain something from the PH role, certainly over the likes of Hermann.

Edited by jokin, 19 May 2014 - 10:10 AM.


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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:27 AM

There weren't many options. The move is fine I guess but are we certain that Herrmann is a better pinch hitter than Tonkin?

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:34 AM

There weren't many options. The move is fine I guess but are we certain that Herrmann is a better pinch hitter than Tonkin?


Good one!!! It made the time slogging thru this bitching about the 25th spot on the roster worth it!!!

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:53 AM

Good one!!! It made the time slogging thru this bitching about the 25th spot on the roster worth it!!!


Yeah, because it hasn't already been proven over and over this season that the choice of who the 25th man is actually has consequences attached to it.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:54 AM

Phew, almost had a RP from the minors on the roster......but you can't be one of the oldest teams in the games by using your minors. Very important to have 35 year old RP on the roster.......


Gardy managing our roster and in game moves reminds me of when I tried teaching my five year old how to play monopoly. Of course things get more interesting in NL games, more ways for him to screw it up.

In 17 games in AAA, Arcia is hitting .316, 3 HR, .954 OPS. Sure glad we didn't invite him to join us.

Edited by tobi0040, 19 May 2014 - 10:56 AM.


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Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:09 AM

Good one!!! It made the time slogging thru this bitching about the 25th spot on the roster worth it!!!


Just FYI, there wasn't a requirement that you read this thread.

#51 Beezer07

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:09 AM

Gardy managing our roster and in game moves reminds me of when I tried teaching my five year old how to play monopoly. Of course things get more interesting in NL games, more ways for him to screw it up.

In 17 games in AAA, Arcia is hitting .316, 3 HR, .954 OPS. Sure glad we didn't invite him to join us.


Isn't Arcia still not permitted to join the Twins yet?

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:17 AM

Gardy managing our roster and in game moves reminds me of when I tried teaching my five year old how to play monopoly. Of course things get more interesting in NL games, more ways for him to screw it up.

In 17 games in AAA, Arcia is hitting .316, 3 HR, .954 OPS. Sure glad we didn't invite him to join us.


To answer my own question, Arcia is not eligible to come up to the Twins until 10 days after he was optioned. That should be this Saturday...so might want to ease up on the sarcastic blasting of roster decisions.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:18 AM

yeah - earliest he can come back is 10 days after he came off the disabled list and was optioned to AAA.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 12:13 PM

Can we get some sort of TD "Aricia is eligible to come up" countdown clock?


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Posted 19 May 2014 - 12:24 PM

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Stolen from snepp's Countdown to Opening Day.


I could barely look away from the Smalley bedroom eyes to read the number on his jersey.

I'm going to assume he thought he was getting his picture taken for Tiger Beat and not for a baseball card, though I don't know that that sultary stare was appropriate for either audience.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 12:42 PM

To answer my own question, Arcia is not eligible to come up to the Twins until 10 days after he was optioned. That should be this Saturday...so might want to ease up on the sarcastic blasting of roster decisions.


To be fair, that 10 day rule is only an issue now because the Twins decided to option Arcia a few days ago, with full knowledge of our upcoming schedule. (Actually, we could have activated and optioned Arcia four days earlier, keeping him in AAA but making him eligible to return tomorrow.)

In some ways, shouldn't we be less likely to need a 3rd string catcher in an NL park? One of Suzuki and Pinto will be on the bench for at least the first 5-6 innings of every game, probably longer if the game isn't real close. If we really want to keep them on the field after pinch hitting, putting them into LF or RF probably wouldn't be the worst corner OF defense move we make this season (or even this week).

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 01:34 PM

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This'll do just fine, thanks!

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 01:44 PM

Just FYI, there wasn't a requirement that you read this thread.


It almost gets humorous after awhile, all the angst. I guess I'll trust the people that have been in the business for 25+ years. They want to win too. Herrmann went down, played hard, did well, it’s a good example for other players that get sent down. Plus in the past the Twins have been guilty of bringing players off the DL without enough games in the minors to be ready and they go 1 for 20 when they get back. Better to have Arcia prove he’s healthy AND prove he has his swing back. An extra week or three of rehab/pounding the ball in Rochester may actually help him.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 01:49 PM

Hermann doesn't belong anywhere near an MLB roster. But I don't mind if Arcia is down there for a short period to make sure he is 100%.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 02:01 PM

To be fair, that 10 day rule is only an issue now because the Twins decided to option Arcia a few days ago, with full knowledge of our upcoming schedule. (Actually, we could have activated and optioned Arcia four days earlier, keeping him in AAA but making him eligible to return tomorrow.)

In some ways, shouldn't we be less likely to need a 3rd string catcher in an NL park? One of Suzuki and Pinto will be on the bench for at least the first 5-6 innings of every game, probably longer if the game isn't real close. If we really want to keep them on the field after pinch hitting, putting them into LF or RF probably wouldn't be the worst corner OF defense move we make this season (or even this week).


I agree with this. The logical thing to do was to activate him and option him earlier, if you knew you needed to option him, but you would need his bat in NL parks. They just blew that decision.

It reminds me of the Bartlett retirement. We had to DFA Mastro while we waited for the Bartlett retirement papers to be processed. Of course, they could have submitted them as soon as Bartlett announced his retirement. But they gave him a chance to sleep on it and waited two extra days to file the papers. Once they knew they needed a spot for Fuld, they could have DFAd Bartlett prior to retirement rather than risking losing the only center field depth they had above A ball. These basic mistakes never happened until Antony took over.
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