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#21 JB_Iowa

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 06:03 PM


#22 jokin

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 06:05 PM


Yup, unless Arcia replaces another player going on the DL- get the whole story LEN3!

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 06:06 PM

His ten days aren't up until next Saturday. I assume that's the motivation behind the DL ploy mentioned above, but since the poster was being obtuse, it's tough to say.


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Posted 18 May 2014 - 06:14 PM

Not sure how to be more clear about my feelings.....Gruyere should not be on this roster. That want clear?

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


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Posted 18 May 2014 - 06:14 PM

Better than keeping 13 pitchers, I suppose. It's just too bad that Willingham wasn't ready. I don't need to see Herrmann again.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 06:21 PM

That want clear?


Roger than.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 07:35 PM

How exactly is Vargas young (almost 24)?

Why is it a bad thing to call someone up for a week or two to sit on the bench? This isn't disrupting his development.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 07:41 PM

Florimon needs to be DFAed if Santana is going to stay on the club, there's no use for him since he plays one position. Also, Fryer seems to be taking up a spot.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 07:57 PM

How exactly is Vargas young (almost 24)?

Why is it a bad thing to call someone up for a week or two to sit on the bench? This isn't disrupting his development.


The Vargas idea is creative and interesting. He appears poised to demonstrate that he's mastered AA. However, it has sounded in the past like his future position is DH. Going into a national league park, the team needs position flexibility more than it needs a pure pinch hitter. Herrmann provides the best position flexibility for this short-term need.

Vargas should be considered for promotion to AAA in the near future, because Rochester's first baseman, Brad Nelson, appears to be the weakest hitter in the Rochester line-up, with the exception of a recently-demoted glove specialist, and promotion would give Vargas the opportunity to show his stuff against higher-level pitching. If Vargas demonstrates the same mastery of AAA that he is showing in AA, a September call-up to TF would be more than reasonable.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 07:58 PM

Ah relax everyone. Herrmann gets a gwrbi while up and it was worth it.

#31 jokin

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 08:07 PM

How exactly is Vargas young (almost 24)?

Why is it a bad thing to call someone up for a week or two to sit on the bench? This isn't disrupting his development.


Right. There are bats dangerously regressing all over the place on the Twins roster- Hermann basically offers nothing to pick those failing hitters up.

What does it hurt to have a switch-hitting, free-swinging prospect get his feet wet with big league pitching for 5 games? The downside of the move is nearly negligible, whatever value he offers to team going forward is going to be at the plate- and either Vargas accelerates his inevitable move towards the big club with those Plate Appearances, or he chalks up some valuable experience to build upon for the future. Either case, as you said, he's soon 24, he's not some teenager wet behind the ears- stop babying the best prospects already.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 08:12 PM

The Vargas idea is creative and interesting. He appears poised to demonstrate that he's mastered AA. However, it has sounded in the past like his future position is DH. Going into a national league park, the team needs position flexibility more than it needs a pure pinch hitter. Herrmann provides the best position flexibility for this short-term need.

Vargas should be considered for promotion to AAA in the near future, because Rochester's first baseman, Brad Nelson, appears to be the weakest hitter in the Rochester line-up, with the exception of a recently-demoted glove specialist, and promotion would give Vargas the opportunity to show his stuff against higher-level pitching. If Vargas demonstrates the same mastery of AAA that he is showing in AA, a September call-up to TF would be more than reasonable.


As far as position flexibility goes, Hermann has shown that he's very shaky as an OF, and shown in the past that his catching abilities are suspect. What the Twins need against the NL teams for 5 games is good pinch hitters, first, positional flexibility, second. Hermann offers very little in either regard.

#33 jokin

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 08:16 PM

Ah relax everyone. Herrmann gets a gwrbi while up and it was worth it.


Yeah, and I heard a rumor that Hell was scheduled for a freeze-over atmospheric event scheduled for just before Memorial Day, not holding my breath on either happening.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 08:20 PM

The Vargas idea is creative and interesting. He appears poised to demonstrate that he's mastered AA. However, it has sounded in the past like his future position is DH. Going into a national league park, the team needs position flexibility more than it needs a pure pinch hitter. Herrmann provides the best position flexibility for this short-term need.


The Twins have Nunez and Santana (and one of kubel/Cola) on the bench giving them enough flexibility. What the Twins need is a pinch hitter since it's almost a guarantee that the pitcher will be PH for 1-2 times/game. I can almost guarantee that we will see Herrmann/Nunez getting some PH's during those 2 series.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 08:29 PM

As far as position flexibility goes, Hermann has shown that he's very shaky as an OF, and shown in the past that his catching abilities are suspect. What the Twins need against the NL teams for 5 games is good pinch hitters, first, positional flexibility, second. Hermann offers very little in either regard.


Yeah. To me, flexibility implies being good at more than one position. Bartlett was flexible too, and he was an awful choice for the outfield.
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Posted 18 May 2014 - 09:35 PM

I would have liked to see Vargas. I understand not promoting him and rewarding Herrmann for his fine run at Rochester. However, Herrmann is a suspect and it will be a surprise if he does anything good with the bat. Having Pinto pinch hit will probably happen now without any more grey hairs for the manager.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 10:50 PM

Kind of like sitting Santana for multiple days on end, and playing him out of position when he does play?

I don't think calling up another youngster to sit on the bench is going to resolve that issue.

As for DL'ing someone to get Arcia up...you can't just make up injuries. And in any case, DL'ing a starter to call up a position player would work this week with two off days, but after that the Twins are scheduled 20 days in a row. So forget that plan.

Of the available options, Hermann is the only choice. I'm sure Willingham will be up soon as they're sure he's healthy.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 11:17 PM

Tonkin vs Gurrier to big deal, but when are they going to call Arcia up? He would provide as much off the bench as a PHer as Arcia or Suzuki and will actually start now and then. At the least, I hope Arcia is up for Hermann as soon as the they leave SF.

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 11:40 PM

1) I don't think calling up another youngster to sit on the bench is going to resolve that issue.

2) As for DL'ing someone to get Arcia up...you can't just make up injuries.

3) And in any case, DL'ing a starter to call up a position player would work this week with two off days, but after that the Twins are scheduled 20 days in a row. So forget that plan.

4) Of the available options, Hermann is the only choice. I'm sure Willingham will be up soon as they're sure he's healthy.


1) Santana sitting or playing unfamiliar positions are 2 really, really bad ideas. If he is going to be the future SS, it's clear based on his present state of readiness, he needs to play the position daily. Vargas is a future DH, conveniently, the Twins need a pinch hitter for this trip, he can PH for 5 days and benefit from the experience, Santana is in a polar opposite situation to Vargas.

2) Can't make injuries up? Tell that to Mike Pelfrey.

3) I'm not prepared to forget my plan, I've spent too much time thinking about it.;) 4 starters works perfectly for the road trip. Starting next week, and not until Thursday, May 29th, you then have many options at AAA to plug into that 5th starter spot. Pelfrey, Darnell, Johnson, May, Meyer, (even Correia would be able to come back on May 30).

4) Hermann is a bad, bad option, not the "only choice". If it's just 2 days in San Diego, I guess it makes the best sense of a bad option/choice, but I would prefer that Willingham come back absolutely at 100%- if that means a week from Monday back in Minnesota, then I would prefer to give Vargas the full 5 days.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 05:53 AM

A cup of coffee for Vargas wouldn't have been a bad idea. He could function as a pinch hitter and be an upgrade over Herrmann, but in the end, I'm not sure this is really going to have much of an impact either way.

I suspect Colabello is going to get optioned on Saturday for Arcia or sooner for Willingham, and Herrmann will get returned to the minors as soon as the other is ready.