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#1 gunnarthor

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:38 AM

http://www.baseballa...al-prospects-2/

Badler's article gives credit to Latin American scouting coordinator Fred Guerrero and international scouting coordinator Howard Norsetter for their work in making the Twins big players in international free agency. Only the Rangers and Red Sox have more international players in the BA prospect handbook than the Twins. Badler notes successes like Arcia and Pinto as well as low minors players like Thorpe and Polanco.

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:48 AM

Good read. I have been highly critical of the approach over the last three years, hopefully some of those guys work out, and they make me look stupid.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :)


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Posted 05 May 2014 - 04:25 PM

Their real problem was when there was no caps on international signings & would avoid players with higher than norm bonus demands in the draft. They had a low mlb payroll & unspent $ available to spend but chose not to use that to bolster their system.

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 04:58 PM

That was an excellent article and I hope what Badler is saying about Polanco ("glove first shortstop") will silence his critics who sight unseen want to relegate him to second base already...
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Posted 05 May 2014 - 05:15 PM

That was an excellent article and I hope what Badler is saying about Polanco ("glove first shortstop") will silence his critics who sight unseen want to relegate him to second base already...


Yes, much much too early. He is by far their best chance at a 2 way SS in the system & not a terrible one.

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 05:51 PM

Polanco "was a defensive-oriented shortstop." As in, when the Twins signed him, years ago. He has spent most of time until now at 2B for a reason.

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 07:21 PM

Polanco "was a defensive-oriented shortstop." As in, when the Twins signed him, years ago. He has spent most of time until now at 2B for a reason.


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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:06 PM

as I said...


The Twins know infinitely more about Polanco than you, and clearly they've had concerns with his ability to play SS. They weren't playing him at 2B because he was too good for SS.

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:19 PM

The Twins know infinitely more about Polanco than you, and clearly they've had concerns with his ability to play SS. They weren't playing him at 2B because he was too good for SS.


And why are they exclusively playing him at SS now over teammates Niko Goodrum and Levi Michael? Do they know less now?

The last 2 seasons he was in the same team as Goodrum (the Twins 2nd round pick) in Etown and Cedar Rapids and increasingly getting more SS than 2B time...

Nothing about what the Twins "knew". It is all about what people think they "knew"...

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:27 PM

And why are they exclusively playing him at SS now over teammates Niko Goodrum and Levi Michael? Do they know less now?


I don't know and neither do you. Perhaps his offensive improvement has made his defensive limitations easier to live with. But if he was a natural, pure SS, he would have played there all along. If you read Baseball America's actual reports, rather than taking a few words out of context, maybe you would pick up on that.

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:37 PM

Stop with the sniping. Of course nobody knows what he's going to be. That's why they're trying him at shortstop atfreaking A Ball!

You both agree that nobody knows anything, so quit it.

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:42 PM

Stop with the sniping. Of course nobody knows what he's going to be. That's why they're trying him at shortstop atfreaking A Ball!

You both agree that nobody knows anything, so quit it.


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Posted 05 May 2014 - 10:08 PM

You should be in all the threads.


Most threads IMO have been pretty civil lately.

Stop with the sniping. .... You both agree that nobody knows anything, so quit it.


Better to flag such instances to the moderators' attention, rather than taking matters into one's own hands and/or waiting for a moderator to wander by and notice.

That said: yes, this topic can be discussed in terms of the player and not in terms of the posters and what they "know".

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 10:26 PM

Hey man, what do we know?

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 11:03 PM

Hey man, what do we know?


We know to be respectful to fellow TD posters, among others. :)

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 04:19 AM

Also need to give Bill Smith Credit for taking the risk and shelling out the money for these guys. That 2009 class is impressive and I doubt Ryan would've spent on Sano, Kepler AND Polanco.

Smith might be the 2nd worst GM in Minnesota Sports History (David Kahn reigns supreme here) but he would step up and spend when had to.

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 07:48 AM

Polanco "was a defensive-oriented shortstop." As in, when the Twins signed him, years ago. He has spent most of time until now at 2B for a reason.


I think the reason's name was Niko Goodrum. This could be a Jacque Jones/Torri Hunter situation from a while back for all I know.

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 08:35 AM

Smith might be the 2nd worst GM in Minnesota Sports History (David Kahn reigns supreme here) but he would step up and spend when had to.


Dude. Mike Lynn. Plus, I think the Wolves have the top 4 on the list.

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 09:05 AM

Also need to give Bill Smith Credit for taking the risk and shelling out the money for these guys. That 2009 class is impressive and I doubt Ryan would've spent on Sano, Kepler AND Polanco.

Smith might be the 2nd worst GM in Minnesota Sports History (David Kahn reigns supreme here) but he would step up and spend when had to.


I believe you're perpetuating a common myth here. Billy Smith had less to do with the final contracts than you assume. In fact, he was not the central figure in any of these negotiations. Furthermore, the overall budget for international expenditures was established well before Guerrero or Norstetter or any of the other international scouts talked contract with any of these guys. As for the constantly-touted notion that Smith was a big risk-taker and spender, and that Ryan would have screwed the pooch on these deals, exactly what proof or basis (other than your own perception of Ryan's "history") do any of you have to back this notion up? How do you know that Smith didn't balk at the Sano contract showdown? Maybe he was pushed into pulling the trigger because of the urging and firm advice of, oh, say Ryan? Maybe Pohlad encouraged him to be aggressive. In any event, you can be sure that others weighed in rather heavily, that other opinions carried more weight than Smith's, and that there was consensus about very one of these signings that started with the international scouting people, migrated to the full scouting organization, and only eventually made its way to the GM.

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 09:15 AM

Smith might be the 2nd worst GM in Minnesota Sports History (David Kahn reigns supreme here) but he would step up and spend when had to.


He wasn't that bad - he did move away from the piranhas and created the 2010 team. That team was arguably our best team since 91.

Anyhow, the Vikings didn't officially have a GM between Lynn and Spielman but there were a lot of bad moves in that time span. I forget the name of the guy they fired who drafted Tarvaris Jackson (and called him a "boy"). The North Stars had some pretty bad years there too. And Kevin McHale couldn't build a team around KG.