Jump to content

Providing independent coverage of the Minnesota Twins.

MinnCentric Forums


Subscribe to Twins Daily Email

Photo

Moves that are warranted

  • Please log in to reply
101 replies to this topic

#1 TKGuy

TKGuy

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 346 posts

Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:06 PM

Everybody remembers the 1987 season and the Buck Ninety Kid, Tim Laudner. He was on a great team and his catching skills were more important than average. In any event, the Twins have a couple of players batting less than a Buck forty, including Florimon in a major role along with Hermann. I believe Florimon has options left and he should be shipped to Rochester and replaced by Bernier. Hermann should be replaced by Parmalee. The problem with both moves is that Bernier and Parmalee are not on the 40 man roster. I think you DFA Hermann for Parmalee. We still have Fryer on the 40 man if god forbid Hermann gets claimed. As for Bernier, with Escobar taking over as everyday SS, he is way more valuable than Florimon because he can play multiple positions and Florimon cannot. While not as good with the glove, Bernier can certainly hit better. At this point I think you DFA Wilson off the roster. Buxton will be in New Britain soon anyways, so not a big deal if Wilson gets claimed. That still leaves Gardy with two catchers, but he can get over it. I'd leave Arcia in Rochester after his rehab is over. Hicks will send Santana back when he's ready.

In the new era of player responsibility, we cannot afford to have a Starting SS who cannot hit and another backup OF who cannot hit and even drops fly balls.

#2 cmathewson

cmathewson

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 2,273 posts

Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:15 PM

Florimon is out of options, but would clear waivers in all likelihood. Opening his roster spot could make room for an additional position player. Possibly Parmelee, who deserves it the most.
"If you'da been thinkin' you wouldn't 'a thought that.."

#3 snepp

snepp

    Curve Hanger

  • Twins Mods
  • 4,340 posts
  • LocationSioux Falls

Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:19 PM

Florimon is out of options


According to TD's resident roster and payroll expert, Florimon has used just 2 option years, 2010 and 11.

#4 mike wants wins

mike wants wins

    Would Like to be More Positive

  • Members
  • 10,159 posts

Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:31 PM

Why do we care if they lose florimann?

#5 Craig Arko

Craig Arko

    Kepler 425b or bust

  • Members
  • 3,283 posts
  • LocationEarth
  • Twitter: crarko

Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:42 PM

I think it's more likely that Arcia and Nunez are up at some point during the road trip. The 40-man move that might have to happen by Thursday is who to remove in order to add Guerrier.

Mongo only pawn in game of life.


#6 TKGuy

TKGuy

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 346 posts

Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:51 PM

Is Guerrier a better option than Tonkin?

#7 Sconnie

Sconnie

    Tatertots R good

  • Members
  • 1,880 posts
  • LocationNW Wisconsin

Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:51 PM

Why do we care if they lose florimann?

CF situation can be SS situation if they are not careful

#8 Sconnie

Sconnie

    Tatertots R good

  • Members
  • 1,880 posts
  • LocationNW Wisconsin

Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:52 PM

Is Guerrier a better option than Tonkin?

With an eye to 2015, no

#9 Craig Arko

Craig Arko

    Kepler 425b or bust

  • Members
  • 3,283 posts
  • LocationEarth
  • Twitter: crarko

Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:55 PM

Is Guerrier a better option than Tonkin?


I like Tonkin. I'd vote for replacing Burton. If I had a vote, that is.

Mongo only pawn in game of life.


#10 cmathewson

cmathewson

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 2,273 posts

Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:13 PM

I think Guerrier is an upgrade over Tonkin for the short term. The later has some things to iron out in his delivery to be more consistent. You can't afford to have the kind of melt down he had the other night if you care about winning, which they should care about. Tonkin has options. Guerrier has an opt out. I think they'll make that move.

I also think Burton's job is in trouble. Maybe Tonkin will go down and get himself straightened out in time to take that in a month or so. From what I have seen, that is optimistic.
"If you'da been thinkin' you wouldn't 'a thought that.."

#11 jorgenswest

jorgenswest

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 2,346 posts

Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:17 PM

Why do we care if they lose florimann?


If it is true that he is a great defender at SS, those skills are rare. Defense saves runs and wins games. He turned a bad throw from Hughes into an out. It could have been runners on second and third no outs top first.

It is a myth that there are lots of great defensive shortstops (or catchers) in the minors. Some teams would care about losing him.

#12 TKGuy

TKGuy

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 346 posts

Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:20 PM

Well at least the Red Wings are in Columbus starting tomorrow, should make it easy to shuffle the roster. I don't like Santana sitting, so I guess I'd like to see what Nunez can do also since he was back playing today, maybe he's getting close to ready

#13 stringer bell

stringer bell

    Shaking the rust off................my golf game

  • Twins Mods
  • 6,205 posts
  • LocationZumbrota MN

Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:24 PM

Bernier has one skill, a versatile glove. If Escobar is the regular SS, the Twins need to have someone who can hit a little or run a bit as a utility guy. I see the Nuñez played for the Red Wings today. Overall, he would be the better fit as a utility infielder. If Mauer is out for any period of time, DL or not, adding Parmelee and optioning Herrmann makes sense. The Twins still need someone who can play center, unless Hicks is ready in the minimum amount of time. Of course, it may be that the Twins need a center fielder because Hicks isn't a big league hitter.

#14 DocBauer

DocBauer

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 1,377 posts

Posted 04 May 2014 - 09:46 PM

Florimon down. It's just not working and he offers no current value other than as a defensive replacement over another good fielder. What?

Bernier for now. He brings a decent glove, can flex to a couple positions, and even if he hits terribly he's probably still a better threat and contributor than Florimon at this point. Sorry, but it's true.

Nunez up to replace Bernier when ready. Younger, a better bat, and some potential still.

Also agree with sending Herrman down, though I still like him as a versatile player who can make contact, hit a bit, show good doubles power with a few HR's tossed in. But he needs to play every day at AAA instead of playing a yo-yo game. I'd rather not DFA him is what I'm saying. I think there are other options to work with.

#15 stringer bell

stringer bell

    Shaking the rust off................my golf game

  • Twins Mods
  • 6,205 posts
  • LocationZumbrota MN

Posted 05 May 2014 - 04:41 AM

Florimon down. It's just not working and he offers no current value other than as a defensive replacement over another good fielder. What?

Bernier for now. He brings a decent glove, can flex to a couple positions, and even if he hits terribly he's probably still a better threat and contributor than Florimon at this point. Sorry, but it's true.

Nunez up to replace Bernier when ready. Younger, a better bat, and some potential still.

Also agree with sending Herrman down, though I still like him as a versatile player who can make contact, hit a bit, show good doubles power with a few HR's tossed in. But he needs to play every day at AAA instead of playing a yo-yo game. I'd rather not DFA him is what I'm saying. I think there are other options to work with.

It doesn't make sense to bring up Bernier for a week--a 40-man move would have to be made and if he were quickly demoted, he'd either have to stay on the 40-man or be exposed as a DFA.

Here are the moves I think are warranted right now--Nuñez for Santana (no point in keeping Santana in the majors to sit on the bench), Parmelee for Herrmann (one Chris can't hit and one might have a chance). Arcia for Florimon as soon as Arcia shows he is ready (I'm thinking less than a week). Going to two catchers shouldn't be that big a problem since Pinto has cooled and there would be multiple candidates to DH and play corner OF. Definitely Colabello should only be a DH and 1B and he and Kubel shouldn't be playing every day.

#16 AM.

AM.

    Always in Moderation

  • Members
  • 665 posts

Posted 05 May 2014 - 04:57 AM

I like Tonkin. I'd vote for replacing Burton. If I had a vote, that is.


I vote crarko gets a vote.

#17 cmathewson

cmathewson

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 2,273 posts

Posted 05 May 2014 - 06:01 AM

According to TD's resident roster and payroll expert, Florimon has used just 2 option years, 2010 and 11.


Well, great. Maybe he can "re"discover his swing in AAA while Nunez becomes the utility guy.
"If you'da been thinkin' you wouldn't 'a thought that.."

#18 Kirby_waved_at_me

Kirby_waved_at_me

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 2,070 posts

Posted 05 May 2014 - 06:39 AM

Danny Santana hasn't been on the field yet, has he? Was the promotion just to reward the kid with some Major League catering? I assumed that he would have played in at least one of the Baltimore games.
I missed the part where his call up was explained - did the Twins want a longer bench but Nuñez wasn't ready yet? Is Santana expected to play in the Cleveland series?

#19 Craig Arko

Craig Arko

    Kepler 425b or bust

  • Members
  • 3,283 posts
  • LocationEarth
  • Twitter: crarko

Posted 05 May 2014 - 06:53 AM

I missed the part where his call up was explained - did the Twins want a longer bench but Nuñez wasn't ready yet? Is Santana expected to play in the Cleveland series?


Yes, and, how the heck would we know, respectively.

Mongo only pawn in game of life.


#20 Kirby_waved_at_me

Kirby_waved_at_me

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 2,070 posts

Posted 05 May 2014 - 07:24 AM

right on - I thought maybe it was mentioned on the radio or tv telecast what the plan for using Santana was (I was at the game on Saturday, and missed seeing/hearing Sunday's game live).