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#1 gunnarthor

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 08:39 AM

Last year's #1 overall pick has had a tough time adjusting to A ball and a pro pitcher's 5 day schedule. So the Astros sent him back to EST hoping to get him right.

http://www.crawfishb...spring-training

The 22 year old was at the Astros high A team (equivalent to the Twins Ft Myers team where the 20 year old Berrios is our best pitching prospect). Astros have had some interesting drafts these last few years, passing on Buxton, Gausman, Zunino, Gray and Bryant (among others) to nab Correa and Appel. Correa is also at A+ and holding his own.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 10:39 AM

Last year's #1 overall pick has had a tough time adjusting to A ball and a pro pitcher's 5 day schedule. So the Astros sent him back to EST hoping to get him right.

http://www.crawfishb...spring-training

The 22 year old was at the Astros high A team (equivalent to the Twins Ft Myers team where the 20 year old Berrios is our best pitching prospect). Astros have had some interesting drafts these last few years, passing on Buxton, Gausman, Zunino, Gray and Bryant (among others) to nab Correa and Appel. Correa is also at A+ and holding his own.


Gray was 2011. They picked 11th that year and grabbed Springer.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 11:15 AM

Correia was also about going under slot, and getting another top guy later, though. It was sort of a 1.5 for 1 trade, if you know what I mean. And, Correia has looked worthy of a top pick (if not the top pick). I've also read that there may be an injury issue with Appel.....which would suck. I like to see the best players play.

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 11:26 AM

I wonder about injury too. Hard to explain it otherwise.

#5 gunnarthor

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 11:47 AM

Gray was 2011. They picked 11th that year and grabbed Springer.


No, Jonathan Gray was picked in 2013. Third player taken overall.
http://www.baseball-...id=gray--001jon

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 11:48 AM

The MiLB article I read emphasized that Appel is not injured, but also notes that his FB velocity is down considerably this spring.

http://www.milb.com/...s_l110&sid=l110

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 11:48 AM

I wonder about injury too. Hard to explain it otherwise.


He did have an appendectomy in the offseason and may not have fully healed when he came back and started pushing. Sort of Mauer's leg surgery fiasco.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:03 PM

This guy's career hasn't really gone as planned so far.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:45 PM

No, Jonathan Gray was picked in 2013. Third player taken overall.
http://www.baseball-...id=gray--001jon


Figured you meant Sonny Gray. Not sure anyone can rip them at this point regardless as those players are still in the minors. That Appel hasn't leaped forward isn't their fault as the teams who had other picks very likely would have made the same pick. Correa was another story, but even then, it's hard to rip them too much for that overall draft, which is what made Correa the #1 pick, part of the beauty of the current system for the draft.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:43 PM

The MiLB article I read emphasized that Appel is not injured, but also notes that his FB velocity is down considerably this spring.

http://www.milb.com/...s_l110&sid=l110


Hmm. Sounds like bilateral arm weakness to me.

#11 Seth Stohs

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:16 PM

I'm in the camp of I want to see the great talents play, so hopefully it's a short-term thing and he can get to the big leagues soon. That said, when this story came out last week, it certainly opened a lot of eyes.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 08:18 PM

I don't wish him any ill will, and I hope he recovers. But I also hope young players take a lesson from this. Take the opportunities you are given and don't hold out for a huge payout. Tomorrow isn't a given to any of us.
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#13 Seth Stohs

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 10:50 PM

I don't wish him any ill will, and I hope he recovers. But I also hope young players take a lesson from this. Take the opportunities you are given and don't hold out for a huge payout. Tomorrow isn't a given to any of us.


Either that or take the big payout whenever you can because nothing is guaranteed later.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 09:37 AM

Either that or take the big payout whenever you can because nothing is guaranteed later.


Or, treat life as a multi-stage stochastic process, take your best forecasts and make your decisions at each stage, and then live with the results. [/geek]

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 09:55 AM

Or, treat life as a multi-stage stochastic process, take your best forecasts and make your decisions at each stage, and then live with the results. [/geek]


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 10:09 AM

Or, treat life as a multi-stage stochastic process, take your best forecasts and make your decisions at each stage, and then live with the results. [/geek]


I once had a Russian chemistry professor explain stoichiometry with cheeseburgers as an example.......it was glorious; I was the only one awake.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 10:46 AM

I once had a Russian chemistry professor explain stoichiometry with cheeseburgers as an example.......it was glorious; I was the only one awake.


I once had Russian dressing, then I found out it has beets in it. Ew.

/ PS: stochastic != stoichiometry, as I bet you know :)

#18 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 12:03 PM

Correa is also at A+ and holding his own.


I'd say he's doing more than holding his own. He's 19 at high A and has a .300/.366/.463 slash.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 12:11 PM

Either that or take the big payout whenever you can because nothing is guaranteed later.


Or listen to the people around you that care about you, not your agent. Scott Boras has a portfolio of 100's of clients. So if Appel turned down #8 money to go back to school, he was taking on a lot more risk than Boras, who is obviously already a multi-millionaire.

Same for a guy like Max Scherzer. Boras would love you to turn down $150M and become a free agent in a year. If he does that with each of his 100 clients, he will be better rewarded because although a few will get hurt, he will still end up ahead with those that didn't (not to mention his clients that hit the FA market will push up the highest AAV values, helping his other clients). But if you are Appel or Scherzer, take the security.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 12:27 PM

Or listen to the people around you that care about you, not your agent. Scott Boras has a portfolio of 100's of clients. So if Appel turned down #8 money to go back to school, he was taking on a lot more risk than Boras, who is obviously already a multi-millionaire.

Same for a guy like Max Scherzer. Boras would love you to turn down $150M and become a free agent in a year. If he does that with each of his 100 clients, he will be better rewarded because although a few will get hurt, he will still end up ahead with those that didn't (not to mention his clients that hit the FA market will push up the highest AAV values, helping his other clients). But if you are Appel or Scherzer, take the security.


Actually, it worked out for Appel - going back to school netted him several more millions than if he had signed with the Pirates (it also helped the Twins net Stewart by adding one more pick into the 2013 draft).