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#1 Seth Stohs

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 08:09 PM

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#2 twinsfan34

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 09:18 PM

Glad to see Mad Max get off the schnide with a little grand salami time.

Polanco continues to amaze with his stick. He's only 5 months older than Buxton and he's hitting .354 at Ft Myers...pretty impressive, early, but still pretty impressive for 1 month of ball.

Slegers is impressive as well...he's only 21 despite coming from the college ranks.

47.2 IP 6 BB 1 HR 45 SO...it's "rookie" rookie ball and A ball, but those are some pretty solid numbers.

It's seemingly been a down beginning due to nothing coming from our top 3 offensive prospects (Buxton, Sano, and Rosario), but still some signs of hope and surprises from other sources.

Garver could continue to rake.

We still have a ton of solid prospects in extended spring training - wish we could find out more on how they're doing.

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 09:42 PM

Glad to see Mad Max get off the schnide with a little grand salami time.

Polanco continues to amaze with his stick. He's only 5 months older than Buxton and he's hitting .354 at Ft Myers...pretty impressive, early, but still pretty impressive for 1 month of ball.

Slegers is impressive as well...he's only 21 despite coming from the college ranks.

47.2 IP 6 BB 1 HR 45 SO...it's "rookie" rookie ball and A ball, but those are some pretty solid numbers.

It's seemingly been a down beginning due to nothing coming from our top 3 offensive prospects (Buxton, Sano, and Rosario), but still some signs of hope and surprises from other sources.

Garver could continue to rake.

We still have a ton of solid prospects in extended spring training - wish we could find out more on how they're doing.


Following you around the threads, twinsfan. I think the Polanco situation is the most significant development offensively in the Twins system thus far. While there is a general consensus on TD to keep him down in Ft Myers for a couple more months, I would hope the Twins see what's happening with him and consider their options. The guy has turned it around, literally at the plate, his BB/K rate is in the positive range, about 1.33- and much better thn his career numbers, and nearly the best in the Florida State League, despite the fact that he's just about the youngest player in the league. And he's doing all this with all the added pressure of being placed on the 40-man and playing SS full-time.

I propose that as soon as the weather finally breaks to move Polanco to SS at New Britain. The Rock Cats lineup is a complete train wreck right now. Can you imagine them with this lineup at the top of the order, instead: Buxton, Polanco, Rosario, Vargas, Walker, Hicks? This will help protect Polanco and get him up with the class that is likely to be breaking onto the big club's roster in the near future. (Kepler is probably going to move up more slowly- looks like a one level per year guy to me at this point).

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 10:00 PM

There's nothing wrong with letting a guy be at a level for two months. In 10 years I've followed, I've seen so many guys have a strong month and then do nothing after that. Let the league adjust to him and see what adjustments he makes.

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 10:19 PM

There's nothing wrong with letting a guy be at a level for two months. In 10 years I've followed, I've seen so many guys have a strong month and then do nothing after that. Let the league adjust to him and see what adjustments he makes.



And there's nothing wrong in seeing if he can hack it at a higher level, especially when he appears ready (at the plate, anyways) and, that there's a crying need at the next level for what he brings to the table. If you have any doubts about this, see: Mejia, Aderlin, for further confirmation of this fact. If Polanco struggles, he can simply retrace his steps and make the necessary adjustments back in Ft Myers, no harm done.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 05:53 AM

There's nothing wrong with letting a guy be at a level for two months. In 10 years I've followed, I've seen so many guys have a strong month and then do nothing after that. Let the league adjust to him and see what adjustments he makes.


This. It's not hard for a ball player to have a hot streak. He should be kept around long enough to know the difference between a hot streak and just domination. That's why the Twins typically wait until around the allstar break to start promoting. I'm guessing sometime in June he moves up if this continues. I'm also guessing he will rocket into the top 100 if this continues as well.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 07:02 AM

Slow and steady.....it has worked so well the last 10 years that this team has lost 90+ games three years in a row, but don't change anything......if this team had drafted Stanton or Fernandez, would they even be in the majors yet?

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 07:19 AM

A year ago when Buxton started out so hot in CR, I spoke with someone in the Twins organization about when he might be promoted and was told they usually wait until June, in part because they like to see a player face the same team for a couple of series. Those teams make adjustments and the organization wants to see how the player handles those adjustments. You can't see that when he's only faced an opponent for one series.

Made sense to me at the time. Still does.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:00 AM

In 10 years I've followed, I've seen so many guys have a strong month and then do nothing after that.


Hey Seth...
Please take this ribbing with the good-natured intention with which is was meant!

So what exactly was Daniel Ortiz's line that first month in Beloit after he was your 'prospect to watch' in 2011? I remember his OPS was >1.000! And then he broke your heart (and the rest of us with you)!

#10 Seth Stohs

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:40 AM

Danny Ortiz that year didn't have an OPS over .700 in any other month (I don't believe, if so, barely). There have been several others.

I'm not saying Polanco is Danny Ortiz (not that that's a terrible thing), but I'm not ready to say he's Buxton (or Stanton or Fernandez) either. If he's promoted in June, that's still really fast for a 20 year old!

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:01 AM

Slow and steady.....it has worked so well the last 10 years that this team has lost 90+ games three years in a row, but don't change anything......if this team had drafted Stanton or Fernandez, would they even be in the majors yet?


Are you kidding? We'd still be having an ongoing debate about whether they need to wait until June to make sure they hit the Florida State and Eastern League All-Star games. Actually, I jest on Stanton, he would have been on the Buxton/Arcia track and debuted at 22 instead of age 20 (two years ago). With pitchers though- it's a different story, we would all be fretting right now about Fernandez going through 2 levels in one year, as it "doesn't hurt to make sure he masters each level" before even considering in "rushing him before he's truly ready". Probably would have made his debut in September, 2015, at the very risky and tender age of 23.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:19 AM

Polanco's D at SS is not AA ready. Why send him up there to boot balls around?

His valve as a SS is extraordinarily high. If he is able to master the SS position, he will become a top 20 MLB prospect. If he can't he is probably in the Top 50 range.

I say, keep him at High A and let him work on his D while continuing to feast on High A pitching. If he can't cut it there defensively, send him up to AA as a second baseman.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:42 AM

Polanco's D at SS is not AA ready. Why send him up there to boot balls around?

His valve as a SS is extraordinarily high. If he is able to master the SS position, he will become a top 20 MLB prospect. If he can't he is probably in the Top 50 range.

I say, keep him at High A and let him work on his D while continuing to feast on High A pitching. If he can't cut it there defensively, send him up to AA as a second baseman.


The ball bounces the same at both levels. And his current struggles in the field are making no difference to his hitting success. If he's going to master playing SS, once the weather gets more summer-like, it matters little whether he works on mastering it at A+ or AA. But if you hold him back on his hitting development- as all the evidence suggests would be the case in this instance, you retard his potential development at the plate and his early readiness in reaching the big club by next mid-season.

Finding a position for a middle infield masher would be a wonderful "problem" to have. AFter seeing him play in Cedar Rapids, I am more than willing to put up with a Jhonny Peralta level of defense, I think Polanco can eventually pass that low-bar level, and possibly SUR-pass Peralta's offensive prowess. Move him on up!

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 10:29 AM

"if this team had drafted Stanton or Fernandez, would they even be in the majors yet" .357 for a month with horrendous defense does not equate to Stanton track record. His path is similar to Sano minus Sano's injury. Stanton did play 3 years in the minors so my answer to that one is yes, he would be. Fernandez was 14-1 with a 1.75 ERA in the minors with a 10.6 strikeout per 9 and a 2.4 walk per 9. Which one of our pitchers has done that? So my answer too that would be yeah, maybe not quite as quick but within a half year. Garza is probably the closest and he was promoted and did not do nearly as well as Fernandez which brings us to another approach. Which minor leaguer has performed so well with the Twins once brought up that has made you say "we should have brought them up a lot quicker"?

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 10:52 AM

The Cardinals. The Rays. The Marlins (who have more WS wins lately).

And I was not comparing Polanco to those guys, I was commenting on the philosophy that a guy has to play in the same league until June (their words, according to Seth) before he gets promoted. Sorry if that was misunderstood, I thought it was clear.
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Posted 28 April 2014 - 10:58 AM

"The ball bounces the same at both levels. And his current struggles in the field are making no difference to his hitting success. If he's going to master playing SS, once the weather gets more summer-like, it matters little whether he works on mastering it at A+ or AA. But if you hold him back on his hitting development- as all the evidence suggests would be the case in this instance" Absolutely true about the ball bouncing the same at both levels. Less than a month of hitting .361 does not rise to the level of all the evidence suggests, imo so not concerned at this point about retarding his progress. I am not against a promotion offensively more because he had a solid year last year but lets say he continues to hit well and is promoted in June. If he hits great there or just hits well and improves his fielding I don't see anything that would prevent his promotion by mid 2015 season to the Twins except similar development by Santana and good performance from Dozier. He will be promoted if he continues to hit like this but I am guessing there are a lot of guys in the system capable of hitting .360 for 22 games. The .308 over 500 at bats last year backing it up makes me feel better about him.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:07 AM

Being promoted 1 level for every 250 at bats that you hit over .300 gets you to the majors pretty quickly if you are not blocked and show improvement defensively.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:36 AM

"The ball bounces the same at both levels. And his current struggles in the field are making no difference to his hitting success. If he's going to master playing SS, once the weather gets more summer-like, it matters little whether he works on mastering it at A+ or AA. But if you hold him back on his hitting development- as all the evidence suggests would be the case in this instance" Absolutely true about the ball bouncing the same at both levels. Less than a month of hitting .361 does not rise to the level of all the evidence suggests, imo so not concerned at this point about retarding his progress. I am not against a promotion offensively more because he had a solid year last year but lets say he continues to hit well and is promoted in June. If he hits great there or just hits well and improves his fielding I don't see anything that would prevent his promotion by mid 2015 season to the Twins except similar development by Santana and good performance from Dozier. He will be promoted if he continues to hit like this but I am guessing there are a lot of guys in the system capable of hitting .360 for 22 games. The .308 over 500 at bats last year backing it up makes me feel better about him.


You listed Polanco's batting average, "as if that's the" only evidence. The .360 by itself in one month of play is meaningless by itself, and I've stated the underlying case for him previously is far more convincing. Like being one of the top hitting performers in the Dominican Winter League- which is full of mature players. Regarding his first month in the FSL, it's especially the underlying quality of his batting performance that is so encouraging.


First off, it's a tough pitcher's league and Polanco is dominating it at an age nearly 3 years younger than league average.

Secondly, Polanco has reversed his K/BB ratio, from 1.50 previous to this year, to 0.75 in Ft Myers.

Third, this has led to dropping his K% from 12% to 9.8%, and his BB% going up from 8% to 13% this season.

Fourth, up until this year, his LD% has hovered in the 17% range- this year he sits at 27.1%.

Fifth, despite lowering his K% significantly, and his swinging KOs by 33%, he's actually increased his ISO power from .144 to .178, with commensurate increases in his SLG %.

Finally, he's accomplished all of this with no plate protection behind him from the slumping Hicks and Walker.

Taken as a whole, this indicates that he's made a huge jump in his understanding of what it takes to be a very successful hitter at this level. Time to move him up, where there is a huge need for him in New Britain, and he would have the chance to join in playing with the core group that will make up the bulk of the next wave of impact players with the Twins- including his potential MI partner, Eddie Rosario.

Edited by jokin, 28 April 2014 - 12:05 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2014 - 12:03 PM

The Cardinals. The Rays. The Marlins (who have more WS wins lately).

And I was not comparing Polanco to those guys, I was commenting on the philosophy that a guy has to play in the same league until June (their words, according to Seth) before he gets promoted. Sorry if that was misunderstood, I thought it was clear.


The Mets. The Astros. The Orioles. The Rays. The list goes on and on. And Sano was a bad example to compare to Stanton. Stanton played in Hi-A FSL in his 3rd pro year, Sano in his 4th year, with Sano shattering virtually every hitting number and making a mockery out of Stanton's numbers, which were the previous standard for the league. Sano spun his wheels in low A the year previous, when a mid-season promotion to Ft Myers was more than warranted. There's no doubt the Twins have slow-played their prospects, even some of their best ones.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 04:47 PM

I always wonder where the constant defense of the Twins slow approach on minor leagers comes from. I don't think any successful team would look at the Twins and their history and say "This is the way to do it". They have basically no track record of being very good at getting talent to the majors. They are basically middle of the pack in roster age. Take a team like Atlanta. They have 3 starting infielders who are 24, 2 starting pitchers who are 23, and their starting RF is 23. They aren't even the youngest roster in the league. But it CAN be done and teams CAN and do aggressively move top guys through the minors. Just because the Twins never do based on an unproven philosophy doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.