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#1 milldaddy35

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:21 PM

What do you think will be the next roster move we make? Trades,signings,or calling people up/down. And don't say arcia and J-Will. We all know that will happen already. Thoughts?

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:02 PM

Willingham will be back. Picture Arcia getting an extended workout in the minors.

There is no 40-man spot.

The Twins have to decide on Hicks and Florimon. If they send down Florimon, he goes off the 40-man.

Do the Twins do anything with Swarzak or Burton? They need to keep Tonkin. Guerrier is available, not to mention other bodies.

Nothing CAN happen to the rotation. Too expensive to give away. No good demoting them to the bullpen. Just have to sink or swim.
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Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:53 PM

They are in an obviously foreseeable mess with Correia and Pelfrey.

Trades and signings are not going to happen right now.

Anyway, Jorge Polanco and Levi Michael need to be in New Britain.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 05:24 AM

My prediction: Pelf to the 15 day DL due to shoulder injury, Deduno to the rotation, Pressly gets called up.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 06:02 AM

Willingham will be back. Picture Arcia getting an extended workout in the minors.

There is no 40-man spot.

1) The Twins have to decide on Hicks and Florimon. If they send down Florimon, he goes off the 40-man.

Do the Twins do anything with Swarzak or Burton? They need to keep Tonkin.

2) Guerrier is available, not to mention other bodies.


3) Nothing CAN happen to the rotation. Too expensive to give away. No good demoting them to the bullpen. Just have to sink or swim.


1) How do you figure this? It seems inevitable that they both get sent down, but they both have options left, would they really take Florimon off the 40-man, doesn't seem likely with the limited SS depth.

2) Guerrier has a May 8th deadline to be called up, but has yet to be placed on the roster. I would guess that Raley and/or Wilson will be attempted to sneak through waivers, opening up a spot for Guerrier .

3) Pelfrey went down to the minors last year, he can go down again this year to right himself again with a remaining option or a DL rehab, if he agrees to it.

Edited by jokin, 26 April 2014 - 06:05 AM.


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 06:12 AM

Nuñez for Florimon with Escobar becoming the principle shortstop is the move that would have been made already if Nuñez had not injured himself. If Nuñez can get back on the field, the move will happen soon. I wrote in another thread that the Twins are kind of stuck regarding the rotation as long as the current guys are healthy. Nolasco (4 years), Hughes (3 years) and Pelfrey (2 years) all have multiple years to go. Correia was their best, most consistent pitcher last year. He's been okay or better for three of his five starts, although his upside is limited to about what he did last year.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 06:13 AM

They are in an obviously foreseeable mess with Correia and Pelfrey.

Trades and signings are not going to happen right now.

Anyway, Jorge Polanco and Levi Michael need to be in New Britain.


I'm not so sure about this. For the first time since forever, Gardy and the front office have been publicly forthcoming and proactive in declaring that necessary moves will be made- they're in win-now mode. I could easily forsee another trade to acquire a SS still in the offing (Didi, Franklin?).

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 06:20 AM

Nuñez for Florimon with Escobar becoming the principle shortstop is the move that would have been made already if Nuñez had not injured himself. If Nuñez can get back on the field, the move will happen soon. I wrote in another thread that the Twins are kind of stuck regarding the rotation as long as the current guys are healthy. Nolasco (4 years), Hughes (3 years) and Pelfrey (2 years) all have multiple years to go. Correia was their best, most consistent pitcher last year. He's been okay or better for three of his five starts, although his upside is limited to about what he did last year.


This is pretty much right, although I think they have their strong doubts about either becoming the full-time guy at SS. Pelfrey could repeat a trip to the minors like last year- clearly there's something wrong with him- which opens up a spot in the rotation. SPs are dropping like flies around baseball, is there a Doumit-like trade out there to move Correia back to the NL? On the SS front, Arizona is floundering and may well be willing to settle for prospects in a trade for Gregorius.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 06:31 AM

I have to think Florimon is going to be the first change. I'm still trying to figure out why he's getting at bats. Hicks, I suspect will end up in Rochester as well. I'm not as certain on the pitching front. Those guys are under contract and will get a long leash.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 06:48 AM

Jokin, the trip to the minors for Pelf was one start in Cedar Rapids on an injury rehab. He can consent to be optioned, but he has to agree to that arrangement. I don't know if anyone has even broached the subject to the player.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 06:59 AM

Jokin, the trip to the minors for Pelf was one start in Cedar Rapids on an injury rehab. He can consent to be optioned, but he has to agree to that arrangement. I don't know if anyone has even broached the subject to the player.


I understand all of the details surrounding him from last year and the consent issues regarding his remaining option. But knowing all of this, and given the faith and the limb the Twins went out on, to sign him initially, and then to re-sign him, the onus is kind-of on Pelfrey to "make this right", because clearly, something is not right with him currently. His velocity is down and the Twins will simply will have to do something drastic, ie, DL, bullpen, etc., if the current pattern repeats itself much longer.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 07:37 AM

I have to wonder if we won't see some sort of move to open up a spot for Meyer, especially if he has another dominant start, even if it is only for 2 starts. I think that the FO might see a benefit just from a ticket sales stand point to get Meyer some starts while the team is in contention.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 08:02 AM

The team isn't "in contention" and Meyer would have no effect on ticket sales. Besides which no MLB franchise would handle a prized prospect on that basis, ever.

Florimon will be the first to go, no doubt. It's bizarre that he was Plan A to begin with- the only explanation aside from sheer gross incompetence is that the Twins tried but failed to replace him. Of course, the internal options are pretty bad.

So far as Pelfrey, the Twins made an unforced, $12 million error in resigning him and the only mildly surprising part is that in blew up in their faces immediately. They really deserve the difficulties they're facing here, ditto for Florimon. Bad decisions shouldn't be rewarded.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 08:11 AM

I have to wonder if we won't see some sort of move to open up a spot for Meyer, especially if he has another dominant start, even if it is only for 2 starts. I think that the FO might see a benefit just from a ticket sales stand point to get Meyer some starts while the team is in contention.


Upcoming home games 4 starts out. This is the closest upcoming time in which he can get 2 starts in, during one homestand, and falls closely to his current schedule:

May 13, Tuesday night vs. Red Sox
May 18, Sunday afternoon vs. Mariners

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 08:16 AM

Is stephen drew still a free agent?

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 08:21 AM

The team isn't "in contention" and Meyer would have no effect on ticket sales. Besides which no MLB franchise would handle a prized prospect on that basis, ever.

Florimon will be the first to go, no doubt. It's bizarre that he was Plan A to begin with- the only explanation aside from sheer gross incompetence is that the Twins tried but failed to replace him. Of course, the internal options are pretty bad.

So far as Pelfrey, the Twins made an unforced, $12 million error in resigning him and the only mildly surprising part is that in blew up in their faces immediately. They really deserve the difficulties they're facing here, ditto for Florimon. Bad decisions shouldn't be rewarded.


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 08:25 AM

The Pelfrey signing, which was stupid when made, looks worse every day. Don't worry though, the really good pitchers in the minors will earn their way up at some point....somehow. Making room for a 35 year old RP (when you have enough RP in your system), by moving decent younger players off the 40 man? At this point in the rebuild? Insanity. Just awful roster management.
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Posted 26 April 2014 - 08:42 AM

Five minutes after Nunez is pronounced healthy, he'll be called up. I'd expect Florimon to be optioned at that time.

Arcia is starting rehab games today, but it wouldn't be a huge surprise if he spends a few more weeks in Rochester working on timing after that. Willingham hasn't swung a bat and I'd guess he's a late May return at the earliest.

Guerrier is probably the next up after Nunez; whether he takes Tonkin's or Burton's spot is still up for grabs.
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Posted 26 April 2014 - 08:43 AM

Nunez for Florimon as soon as Nunez is healthy. Willingham for Hermann. A pitcher will have to go down, likely Tonkin for Arcia.

The big question is who is going to get at bats? Would be disappointed to see Pinto's at bats drop, but think it is inevitable with Hermann going down. Expect to see Joe get a few more days off once Willingham and Arcia are back. Kubel will likely sit more against lefties.

I think Hicks will get one more shot once Fuld's bat cools off. Don't see any reason to send him down.

Really don't see any moves in the rotation until June. One of the starters will likely have a DL stint, which will give Meyer, Johnson or May a shot.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 08:45 AM

The Pelfrey signing, which was stupid when made, looks worse every day. Don't worry though, the really good pitchers in the minors will earn their way up at some point....somehow. Making room for a 35 year old RP (when you have enough RP in your system), by moving decent younger players off the 40 man? At this point in the rebuild? Insanity. Just awful roster management.


It appears that there is a full commitment, forget the rebuild, to try to do whatever it takes, come hell or high water, to make a run at .500 in 2014. (And in this case, if Brooks Raley is the one moved, no one should shed a tear). And it can work out to the benefit of the rebuild if the Twins cut bait on a non-performing starter and bring up Meyer sooner rather than later (barring a trade or DFA, he'll have to replace someone like Kenny on the 40-man.). Early on, I kind-of figured that Meyer wouldn't come up until Correia was moved, now I'm more optimistic that it could happen before then.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 08:49 AM

Nuñez for Florimon with Escobar becoming the principle shortstop is the move that would have been made already if Nuñez had not injured himself.


I wish and it is logical and makes sense, but if Gardenhire wanted to play Escobar instead of Florimon at SS he could have done it beginning a week ago. Still needs to be done. Florimon makes Butera look like Babe Ruth.
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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:01 AM

Next roster moves....
1. Deduno to rotation with Pelfry going to pen or DL(if injured)
2. Burton to DL (if injured) and Guerrier recalled
3. Stephen Drew signed (if the Twins are winning they will have to consider this) if not then just send down Florimon and bring up Nunez or Bernier
4. Willingham comes off the DL with Hermann demoted to AAA
5. Arcia comes off the DL and is optioned to AAA
6. Corriea will eventually come off the roster for Meyer to come up but not yet.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:10 AM

This is markedly not true. How soon we forget, even the Twins have gone down this road before


How soon we forget, Kyle Gibson debuted just last year, at home? He pitched on a Saturday.

The prior home Saturday: 35,017 (Deduno)

Gibson's debut: 36,881

Next home Saturday: 38,626 (Correia)

Also, teams are smarter now than 30+ years ago.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:13 AM

Correia fits the pen better than Pelfrey. He holds on runners well. He has a history of arm health and can probably go on consecutive days if needed. He has done the role before. His performance doesn't drop when runners are on base.

Pelfrey doesn't fit any of those. He would need to come in to start an inning as his performance drops with runners on base. His arm may not bounce back as well.

Deduno as a starter over Correia is the move. Deduno is groundball pitcher. The poor defense in the OF will be less of a factor. Start him and keep Florimon at SS in his starts.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:17 AM

How soon we forget, Kyle Gibson debuted just last year, at home? He pitched on a Saturday.

The prior home Saturday: 35,017 (Deduno)

Gibson's debut: 36,881

Next home Saturday: 38,626 (Correia)

Also, teams are smarter now than 30+ years ago.


I haven't forgotten about Gibson, at all. He came in post TJ as pretty much a forgotten man to the average fan, with very little ballyhoo attached. Plus, the Twins were still drawing in summer games based on the ballpark alone. As we've seen this year, the novelty of the park has worn off to the point that the crowds in April resemble many Metrodome and Met actual attendance figure (not tickets sold). Meyer, Buxton and Sano will all have a positive effect on attendance initially- simply based on the fact that there are now around a potential 50% worth of walk-up sales- the numbers you cited from last season were based on almost all of those tickets having been sold during the 2012-13 offseason when it made absolutely no difference to the ticket buyer who was playing.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:21 AM

Next roster moves....
1. Deduno to rotation with Pelfry going to pen or DL(if injured)
2. Burton to DL (if injured) and Guerrier recalled
3. Stephen Drew signed (if the Twins are winning they will have to consider this) if not then just send down Florimon and bring up Nunez or Bernier
4. Willingham comes off the DL with Hermann demoted to AAA
5. Arcia comes off the DL and is optioned to AAA
6. Corriea will eventually come off the roster for Meyer to come up but not yet.


The Twins are not signing Drew, and Bernier is not on the roster. Unless Nunez's arm falls off, he will be getting the call as soon as he's healthy.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:21 AM

I think Correia's starting days are numbered. He has a lot of bullpen experience and that ERA of almost 8 is completely unacceptable.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the team make a move if his next start is a bad one.

But I have no idea who replaces him at this point. Lots of options, limited roster space.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:23 AM

There is no evidence that Meyer is sufficiently hyped/well known to make a difference. This has been looked at various times and most top prospects have no impact on attendance.

Buxton and Sano are on an entirely different level than Meyer hype-wise, and I think would result in initial bumps, albeit with relatively rapid tapering.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:26 AM

Next roster moves....
1. Deduno to rotation with Pelfry going to pen or DL(if injured)
2. Burton to DL (if injured) and Guerrier recalled
3. Stephen Drew signed (if the Twins are winning they will have to consider this) if not then just send down Florimon and bring up Nunez or Bernier
4. Willingham comes off the DL with Hermann demoted to AAA
5. Arcia comes off the DL and is optioned to AAA
6. Corriea will eventually come off the roster for Meyer to come up but not yet.


I'm hoping that 6 isn't true. If the Twins are really committed to winning this year as they've been indicating, it would be foolish to hold Meyer back until say, July- and that's probably what it's going to take for Correia to build up any value in trade.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:26 AM

Okay. Guys. I'm back.

We have 3 guys who are somewhat spendy and terrible right now:
Burton, Pelfrey, Correia

We have 2 guys who are optionable and perhaps have a future place on the team, but have been bad:
Hicks, Florimon

Now which one of them projects to fit into our future? Only one. Twins need to do what they are doing with Hicks right now in the majors, not AAA.

They need to send down Florimon yesterday and they need to cut bait with one of those 3 pitchers for Arcia when DL is over. We can't afford to keep three pitchers we messed up on, when there are better options. I'd be okay with cutting Burton and giving Correia and Pelfrey chances.

Anyone have the date we cut Marquis on a couple years ago? I'm pretty sure we won't be afraid to cut Burton or Correia, probably not Pelfrey though.