Jump to content

Providing independent coverage of the Minnesota Twins.

Subscribe to Twins Daily Email

Recent Blogs


Photo

Dustin Pedroia- Down and Possibly Out- Drew or....Dozier..... to take his place?

  • Please log in to reply
69 replies to this topic

#1 jokin

jokin

    Twins News Team

  • Twins News Team
  • 9,589 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 12:40 AM

Boston Globe headline:
Red Sox fear Dustin Pedroia’s wrist injury could be serious

Pedroia left the Sox in New York to get his wrist tested and MRId on Monday. If the worst should happen with Pedroia and he's out for much of the season, the Sox have options to replace him, but clearly Roberts and Herrera are substandard, at best, while Brock Holt is untested and has a suspect glove, as well. Will Middlebrooks, as was the case for much of 2013, is once again on the DL, as well.

While Stephen Drew seems like the obvious solution, what about Brian Dozier? Well, consider his spray chart applied to Fenway, where instead of the Target Field left field dimensions of 343/385/408, you'd have a much friendlier set of numbers: 308/334/390.

And then consider Dozier's spray chart:


http://pitchfx.texas...13&to=4/12/2014


30 Home Runs and an OPS+ of 120 seems within reasonably possible reach.

The Red Sox have a whole slug of well-documented and near-major league ready arms, along with a decent Catcher in Blake Swithart and a college SS, Deven Marrero. I doubt that the BoSox are paniced enough yet to part with a top 10 prospect for Dozier, but if they do panic, and then study that spray chart of Dozier's, his strong defense at 2nd, plus the fact that they could swing him over to 3rd if/when Pedroia returns to health, the Twins might have a chance to nab top flite talent to fill a hole going forward. Obviously, his departure would leave a huge hole right now in the Twins infield, but the Twins do have Nunez, Beresford and Santana knocking on the door for right now, and it looks more and more like Polanco or maybe Rosario will be knocking on the door to claiming the 2nd base job long-term by June 2015.

Edited by jokin, 14 April 2014 - 03:16 AM.


#2 Jeremy Nygaard

Jeremy Nygaard

    Twins Draft Czar

  • Twins Database Managers
  • 2,500 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 04:58 AM

The Red Sox best prospect right now is 2B Mookie Bettts. He's not major league ready now, but I don't see them wanting add anything more than a stopgap.

Plus, Dozier is part of the solution, not the problem.

#3 cmathewson

cmathewson

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 2,273 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 05:13 AM

^^^^This
"If you'da been thinkin' you wouldn't 'a thought that.."

#4 Brock Beauchamp

Brock Beauchamp

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 11,472 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 05:45 AM

I wonder if this is a good opt-out for all parties. The Sox can take back Drew without losing a pick. They could negotiate a contract that doesn't allow him to be offered arbitration next season. This offseason, Drew walks without the albatross that is a comp pick around his neck.

This makes all the sense in the world.

#5 diehardtwinsfan

diehardtwinsfan

    Twins Moderator

  • Twins Mods
  • 6,164 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 05:54 AM

Yeah, I don't see Dozier getting traded to the Sox. The Twins will want far too much for the Sox to do it.

#6 tobi0040

tobi0040

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 3,588 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:18 AM

Yeah, I don't see Dozier getting traded to the Sox. The Twins will want far too much for the Sox to do it.


This is not happening. Drew for some money makes way more sense. I would like to see a team friendly deal for Dozier

#7 TKGuy

TKGuy

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 339 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:27 AM

No way Dozier gets traded, I am convinced that he is the future and that Rosario's is in the OF. You can see the pieces starting to come together. Pinto's bat seems like the real deal. We do need that SS, unless Santana can field better.

Meyer is looking ready and excited to see If May can follow up on his first outing with the same control. Tonkin for sure looks like the setup guy for Perk.

#8 Brock Beauchamp

Brock Beauchamp

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 11,472 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:32 AM

No way Dozier gets traded, I am convinced that he is the future and that Rosario's is in the OF. You can see the pieces starting to come together. Pinto's bat seems like the real deal. We do need that SS, unless Santana can field better.


I think it's more likely that Rosario or Dozier gets traded. Rosario's bat doesn't profile to a corner OF spot and if he comes back and continues to hit, his value should be sky-high (and Dozier's value continues to skyrocket).

#9 old nurse

old nurse

    Member

  • Members
  • 1,905 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:41 AM

I wonder if this is a good opt-out for all parties. The Sox can take back Drew without losing a pick. They could negotiate a contract that doesn't allow him to be offered arbitration next season. This offseason, Drew walks without the albatross that is a comp pick around his neck.

This makes all the sense in the world.


Drew was not on the opening day roster so he would not be subject to compensation.

#10 Brock Beauchamp

Brock Beauchamp

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 11,472 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:05 AM

Drew was not on the opening day roster so he would not be subject to compensation.


Excellent point. So it's even more logical for this to happen, no need to negotiate it into the contract.

#11 Major Leauge Ready

Major Leauge Ready

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 532 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:16 AM

I think it's more likely that Rosario or Dozier gets traded. Rosario's bat doesn't profile to a corner OF spot and if he comes back and continues to hit, his value should be sky-high (and Dozier's value continues to skyrocket).


Agree. One of Dozier or Rosario gets traded. Rosario's value is higher at 2B and with any luck we have a few options for corner OFers. I hope Kepler, Walker, Harrison and others make it easy to trade to Hick's once Buxton gets here. Trading Rosario, Hicks or both might end up being how we get our SS of the future.

If Walker and Kepler pan out nicely that would be an athletic outfield that should really hit.

C Pinto
1B Mauer
2B Dozier or Rosario
3B Sano
SS Via trade of Hicks/Rosario or international
OF Kepler
CF Buxton
OF Walker
DH Arcia / Vargas / Harrison

That lineup should hit some HRs.

Edited by Major Leauge Ready, 14 April 2014 - 08:03 AM.


#12 Seth Stohs

Seth Stohs

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 9,829 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:16 AM

It is interesting to "guess"/Predict how a guy like Dozier would do in Fenway Park. There actually are quite a few similarities between him and Pedroia and the field's dimensions would possibly mean different/improved numbers for Dozier. Of course, the other side is how would Pedroia be perceived if his home field was Target Field?

#13 gunnarthor

gunnarthor

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 4,091 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:26 AM

I don't mind the idea of trading Dozier but the return has to be great. It looks like he's a legit starting second baseman and under team control for 4 years. That's tough to trade unless the other side is giving up something big.

#14 iTwins

iTwins

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 400 posts
  • LocationNorth of Missouri, South of Minnesota
  • Twitter: Trimbletj

Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:30 AM

I don't see it happening. First, because the Red Sox likely won't part with the prospects the Twins want (need) for a stop gap solution like Dozier. Additionally, the Twins have been sorely missing a competent 2B for years. Dozier plays great defense and his bat looks to be an asset as well. It doesn't make much sense for the team to be dumping a young asset like Dozier, who is under team control for the next 5 years, without having a sure solution in the wings (I'm not convinced Rosario is there yet).

#15 tobi0040

tobi0040

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 3,588 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:30 AM

I don't mind the idea of trading Dozier but the return has to be great. It looks like he's a legit starting second baseman and under team control for 4 years. That's tough to trade unless the other side is giving up something big.


Dozier is pushing his way to be a top 10 2B. I don't see Boston giving up what it would take to pry him away, just to be a 2-3 months stop gap.

#16 Craig Arko

Craig Arko

    Pluto or bust

  • Members
  • 2,987 posts
  • LocationEarth
  • Twitter: crarko

Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:31 AM

I'll vote for Drew.

#17 mike wants wins

mike wants wins

    Would Like to be More Positive

  • Members
  • 9,456 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:40 AM

They won't be good this year, they won't be good next year probably, and even 2017 could be a stretch......so why not trade Dozier? Rosario and Polanco and maybe even Santana are your future 2B......so I'd deal him, since they punted on this year, and I don't see Ryan ever spending on FA to INCREASE payroll signficantly and trying to get better signficantly until Sano, Buxton and others are up and consistently very good....which will be 17 or 18.....

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :) Also, I am NOT trying to convince anyone I am correct, I'm just talking here, not arguing.


#18 Brock Beauchamp

Brock Beauchamp

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 11,472 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:43 AM

They won't be good this year, they won't be good next year probably, and even 2017 could be a stretch......so why not trade Dozier? Rosario and Polanco and maybe even Santana are your future 2B......so I'd deal him, since they punted on this year, and I don't see Ryan ever spending on FA to INCREASE payroll signficantly and trying to get better signficantly until Sano, Buxton and others are up and consistently very good....which will be 17 or 18.....


The value difference in trading Dozier right now and trading him in July of 2015 is minimal.

In the meantime, you get a good player on a team that badly needs good players.

Of course, you also run the risk of him getting hurt but one can't run a baseball team scared that his players will get injured.

I believe every team should start the season with the goal of winning baseball games. If good things happen, run with it and adjust on the fly. If bad things happen, consider moving players with value if the deal is right... But only if the deal is right.

And I don't see any reason why the Red Sox would offer fair value for Dozier right now.

It's really easy to end up being the Kansas City Royals for 2+ decades if you continually trade off good players. At some point, you need to keep a few "bridge" players and hope that their experience will put you over the top when the big wave of prospects starts to hit.

#19 mike wants wins

mike wants wins

    Would Like to be More Positive

  • Members
  • 9,456 posts

Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:49 AM

Hey, I'm with you, Brock.....but Ryan hasn't shown that in his past. Heck, when contending he's traded off players. My point was, if you are going all in on a rebuild, go all in. Don't go halfway, like the last three years. As you know, I would have tried A LOT harder to make this team better on the offseason, since they have 20-40MM sitting in their budget doing nothing, but that is NOT the choice they made. So, if you aren't actually going to try, then really go all in on your actual strategy.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :) Also, I am NOT trying to convince anyone I am correct, I'm just talking here, not arguing.


#20 Guest_USAFChief_*

Guest_USAFChief_*
  • Guests

Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:50 AM

It's difficult for me to even imagine the Twins trading Dozier. Nor do I think they should.