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What happens when Bart, Waldo and Willy come off DL?

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#1 twinscowboysbulls

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 02:18 PM

Interesting question... Especially since bello, Kubel and pinto to an extent are hitting cover off... Here is what I figure.
-Bartlett optioned to AAA.
-Tonkin optioned for Arcia. (Even though I secretly want it to be a different reliever.)
-Willingham for Mastroianni (I think hicks should get an off day in CF tomorrow or sometime against a RHP before this happens though)
-also have to wonder when Nunez is up and either Pedro or Escobar is optioned...

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 02:20 PM

Note: by interesting I really meant how playing time will be handed out...

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 02:21 PM

I think Bartlett is out of options.
Regardless, they don't need to send him down, they will keep him down for the max on a rehab assignment.

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 02:28 PM

I think Bartlett is out of options.
Regardless, they don't need to send him down, they will keep him down for the max on a rehab assignment.



Yes, I'm saying they will designate him for assignment whenever that time comes. No way he should be up at the expense of never being able to let Pinto DH

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 02:29 PM

Not to pick nits (ok, yes to pick nits :) ) but your post said "optioned".

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 03:38 PM

If we assume no new injuries, this is probably correct (with Bartlett going away for good).

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 05:03 PM

Not to pick nits (ok, yes to pick nits :) ) but your post said "optioned".


Yeah, I was assuming Bart would choose to go to AAA instead of try elsewhere.

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 07:19 PM

Florimon is 2 for 28 after today. Ouch.

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 07:45 PM

Bartlett will rehab first at Ft. Myers, then in Rochester, so he won't be eligible to return for a few weeks. Tonkin might earn a spot on the staff, or not. Fien and Thielbar have options and if a starter goes down, Deduno could move to the rotation, making a spot for Tonkin . Mastro might be sent down again, although the club could really use a back up center fielder. I think the exchange would be Nuñez for Florimon. If the outfielders return, Herrmann is expendable because Kubel and Colabello will be the DHing more and Pinto won't be needed as much in that role.

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 07:51 PM

Given the interest level here of DFAs from other teams, who go unclaimed, Bartlett is goneski.

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 07:58 PM

Bartlett will rehab first at Ft. Myers, then in Rochester, so he won't be eligible to return for a few weeks. Tonkin might earn a spot on the staff, or not. Fien and Thielbar have options and if a starter goes down, Deduno could move to the rotation, making a spot for Tonkin . Mastro might be sent down again, although the club could really use a back up center fielder. I think the exchange would be Nuñez for Florimon. If the outfielders return, Herrmann is expendable because Kubel and Colabello will be the DHing more and Pinto won't be needed as much in that role.



It would be nice to have a legit pinch hitting option though, which means we still need Herrmann around, or Gardy won't pinch hit Pinto.

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 08:08 PM

Bartlett will rehab first at Ft. Myers, then in Rochester, so he won't be eligible to return for a few weeks. Tonkin might earn a spot on the staff, or not. Fien and Thielbar have options and if a starter goes down, Deduno could move to the rotation, making a spot for Tonkin . Mastro might be sent down again, although the club could really use a back up center fielder. I think the exchange would be Nuñez for Florimon. If the outfielders return, Herrmann is expendable because Kubel and Colabello will be the DHing more and Pinto won't be needed as much in that role.


Book it. But who is Deduno supplanting in the rotation?

Interesting question... Especially since bello, Kubel and pinto to an extent are hitting cover off... Here is what I figure.
-Bartlett optioned to AAA.
-Tonkin optioned for Arcia. (Even though I secretly want it to be a different reliever.)
-Willingham for Mastroianni (I think hicks should get an off day in CF tomorrow or sometime against a RHP before this happens though)
-also have to wonder when Nunez is up and either Pedro or Escobar is optioned...

Escobar is out of options, P-Flo isn't....how much longer will the Twins keep Petey around with his .232 OPS (especially batting back-to-back with little-mentioned Hicks and his sub-Mendoza, .589 OPS), notwithstanding his defense? It is quite possible that Florimon gets optioned in favor of Nunez (adventures in defense?)....(Nunez had 2 more hits today, including a 2-run HR).

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 08:50 PM

I was at the Red Wings double header tonight (and going tomorrow too) and Nunez looked good. He was at SS the first game and DH the second (flipped with Santana.) Here is the thing: With Nunez on board at AAA, either he or Santana will be the DH every day, which is not really optimal. Nunez was fine on the field (he even started a successful dp after he bobbled the ball) and good with the bat making solid contact. The HR was off Mike Nesseth who is actually a decent relief pitching prospect for the Phillies (and is from MN FWIW.)

I think that Florimon is not a major league player at this point. He is at the Butera level...

re this:

-Bartlett optioned to AAA.
-Tonkin optioned for Arcia. (Even though I secretly want it to be a different reliever.)
-Willingham for Mastroianni (I think hicks should get an off day in CF tomorrow or sometime against a RHP before this happens though)
-also have to wonder when Nunez is up and either Pedro or Escobar is optioned...


The only ones with options on the list are Tonkin and Florimon. Hard to see them DFA Mastroianni because even Rochester does not have a CF. They are playing Farris there. Gets even worse: With Buxton out, New Britain has another veteran MiLB middle infielder (30 year old Cory Wimberly) play CF. You have to go to Fort Myers to find another Centerfielder in the Twins' organization. I don't think that Mastroianni is going anywhere. I think that the "DL" is the last nail in Bartlett's coffin. He cannot play. Done. Mastroianni will likely take his place, unless the Twins pick up another CF on waivers some place and Mastroianni can get waived and outrighted to Rochester. I agree that a reliever will go down for Arcia (I hope Fien or Thielbar) and likely Herrmann will go down for Willingham.
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Posted 12 April 2014 - 09:28 PM

I actually think Arcia may go down, not only for rehab, but to get his stroke back. I see no reason to keep Bartlett. I see Nunez coming up sooner rather than later. Will they switch out Herrmann for him, or one of Escobar/Florimon. Willingham means Tonking will go. The Twins will see what Thielbar and Fien can do before turning exclusively to Tonkin.
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Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:44 PM

I was at the Red Wings double header tonight (and going tomorrow too) and Nunez looked good. He was at SS the first game and DH the second (flipped with Santana.) Here is the thing: With Nunez on board at AAA, either he or Santana will be the DH every day, which is not really optimal. Nunez was fine on the field (he even started a successful dp after he bobbled the ball) and good with the bat making solid contact. The HR was off Mike Nesseth who is actually a decent relief pitching prospect for the Phillies (and is from MN FWIW.)

I think that Florimon is not a major league player at this point. He is at the Butera level...



Thanks for the on-site update, Thry and the encouraging Nunez news. I'd love to see Nunez hit the ground running and on a mission to prove he belongs in the bigs. The Wings did play Nunez at 3rd and Santana at SS a day ago, so they do have that configuration option, as well. Would you qualify all of Nunez's AB over the DHer as "major league-ready" or is he still a little rusty? I have to think that the call-up is going to be sooner rather than later- and then the Red Wings will have the playing time dilemma for Santana and Florimon (or does one of them go to New Britain, instead?).

Regarding CF.....is there a surplus position from which the Twins can make a minor league deal for some depth at the position (SP, for starters).

Please provide an on-site update tomorrow, if you have the chance. I'm anxious to hear if Kris Johnson is worthy of knocking on the ML SP door or not.

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 05:29 AM

Didnt Bartlett sign a minor league deal to begin with? The Twins can offright him and not pass him thru anything

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 06:40 AM

Didnt Bartlett sign a minor league deal to begin with? The Twins can offright him and not pass him thru anything

They promoted him to the major league roster, including 40-man roster, just before Opening Day, as they did for Kubel. He would have to pass through waivers to be outrighted, although it is a virtual certainty that no one would claim him.

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:40 AM

A) If we can gain some service time or something by keeping Arcia in AAA then I'll be okay with that until other OF start to struggle.

B) I would rather have Florimon here to come in for Nunez in the 7+ inning to play GG defense at SS for Nunez, instead of Escobar. I'm very confident that Florimon can play adequate defense at 3B and 2B if needed also.

C) I would like to see Hermy stick for the simple fact that Gardy will use Pinto in more ways if he is around. Even if Pinto isn't DH with Kubes, Bello, Willy rotating there, he can get an at-bat per game when he is not catching as a PH, which I think matters.

D) I would like to see us claim Fuld. Strong defense for all 3 spots. Good speed. Decent pop. Would rather have him than Mastro.

E) I think I would rather have Tonkin than Deduno in the pen. I'd like to push Swarzak back into LR. If deduno clears, send him to rotation in AAA.

In conclusion.
-Bartlett cut/AAA
-Arcia sent down
-Willingham up for deduno
-Fuld claimed and Mastro sent down
-Escobar down and possibly out for Nunez

Lineup:
2b Dozier
1b Mauer
Of Willingham
Of Kubel
3b Plouffe
DH bello
C Suzuki
Cf hicks
SS Nunez


Bench:
Pinto c/dh
Fuld of
Florimon IF
Hermy c/of

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:41 AM

I think with the way out AAA rotation is pitching, we have some depth if an injury occurs and we don't have deduno to fill in anymore. (If he's claimed)

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:21 AM

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[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE]My 2 cent guesses:

[quote name='twinscowboysbulls']Interesting question... Especially since bello, Kubel and pinto to an extent are hitting cover off... Here is what I figure.
-Bartlett optioned to AAA.[/QUOTE]

Bartlett announces retirement within a month. Just kidding.

[quote name='twinscowboysbulls']-Tonkin optioned for Arcia. (Even though I secretly want it to be a different reliever.)[/QUOTE]

Anyone but not Tonkin! Arcia gets his full time job back.

[quote name='twinscowboysbulls']-Willingham for Mastroianni (I think hicks should get an off day in CF tomorrow or sometime against a RHP before this happens though)[/QUOTE]

I'd like to see a Willingham/Kubel platoon in LF.

But given that the Twins would rather grant tenure to an old guy than offer a scholarship to a young guy, I think Willingham will be in the lineup more than that, and it will cost a guy like Pinto/Arcia some PAs. Remember Willingham said he wanted to finish his career here (get in line, buddy :) ).

[quote name='twinscowboysbulls']-also have to wonder when Nunez is up and either Pedro or Escobar is optioned...[/QUOTE]

You are correct sir. I was a Florimon supporter this past off season. I think he makes great plays and provides continuity, if only he could hit a little he would do himself huge favors. But if/when the bats cool off or the team goes off the rails, I will be ready to try someone at SS who can hit. Nunez.