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Should Twins Sign Dozier Long Term?

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#1 KirbyHawk75

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 08:50 PM

What kind of contract would he warrant?

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 10:11 PM

We're not in a rush. Ask me again in a year or two.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 02:13 AM

No real point in doing so. He doesn't become a free agent until 2019 when he is 32. He is a solid 2B, but no all-star and he we have some interesting 2B in the minors.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 05:39 AM

Not yet. I'd love to see an OPS around .775 + for at least one full season before they should commit.
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Posted 11 April 2014 - 05:46 AM

None. Go year to year with him. They control him for at least 3 more years (can't remember exactly how long). He isn't going to get overly expensive. Just live with the year to year deals

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 07:10 AM

Dozier is the perfect example of how the Twins need to proceed to be successful in the long run. Use him for his cost controlled years and then trade him for whatever you can get for him. Underlines the importance of a good minor league system. This way, they always have the money to re-sign their legit stars such as (hopefully) Sano, Buxton, etc.

This is especially true for Dozier since we control him until 32 which is the point in time I am not signing any middle infielders to contract extensions.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 07:13 AM

Not yet. I'd love to see an OPS around .775 + for at least one full season before they should commit.


.775 seems like a high bar, that would have put him top 5 in OPS among 2B last year. Given that we really like his glove, if he is in the .730 range or higher I would consider a deal with him. It would only make sense if it buys out two years of free agency and does not come with a no trade clause. If someone like Polanco establishes himself as a 2B candidate, Dozier's contract would be an asset on the trade market.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 07:16 AM

I'd wait until he proves he can put up a decent OBP.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 07:24 AM

I agree, one more year of this before signing. He's not a future all star, gotta keep guy. And, like most Twins lately, didnt' come up young.....

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :) Also, I am NOT trying to convince anyone I am correct, I'm just talking here, not arguing.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 09:14 AM

NO. He can be a free agent 2019, 5 years away. He only has 1000 ab's and has been both bad and good. .177 with 12 k's this year certainly isn't something to jump up and down about. Maybe in a couple years if he hits well over that time but there is no reason to be in a hurry.

Think about that one, our leadoff hitter is hitting .177! Must be part of that master Ryan rebuild plan to have nobody to lead off for 2+ years now.

May all our prospects be All Stars and the beer be free.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 09:19 AM

I do like the idea of getting him extended, but not until late in the season or later. I'm also not worried about him getting expensive, but if he ends up being a useful player, I do like the idea of getting him into a team friendly contract like they did with Denard Span if for no other reason than to increase his value if the team were to move him.

Still plenty to prove though.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 09:51 AM

No. I want to see him put up solid numbers in consecutive years before offering him any long term deal. Plus, with him being under team control for the next 5 seasons, it may be in their best interest to let him play out the deal and address things in 2019. (If he turns into an All-Star 2nd baseman before that time, you extend - albeit short term since he'll be 32 in '19. If he stays the same - good but not great - you to fill internally).

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:18 AM

.775 seems like a high bar, that would have put him top 5 in OPS among 2B last year. Given that we really like his glove, if he is in the .730 range or higher I would consider a deal with him. It would only make sense if it buys out two years of free agency and does not come with a no trade clause. If someone like Polanco establishes himself as a 2B candidate, Dozier's contract would be an asset on the trade market.


It's not a random number, it's what he put up in the second half last year. If that's his full-year OPS this year, I'd be thrilled. It might warrant a Span-like contract at that point, just to control costs over his expected time with the team, and enhance his trade value.

Polanco is at least two years away from being a viable option imo, so maybe a three-year deal to buy out his arbitration years would make sense, assuming "Deke" continues to hit like he has in the last four months of baseball for a full season. As it did with Span, this can enhance his trade value when the time comes.
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Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:29 AM

I agree with most, not yet. A good full season this year and it's worth thinking about.

In a way I kind of feel bad for Dozier, he has a ways to go still obviously, but he looks like he could be a really good player who'd be a worth a long-term deal. Unfortunately for him, he's sitting at one of the positions that looks to potentially be most replaceable by prospects in the near future with Rosario and Polanco, and I'll be curious to see if they ever do offer him a good deal or if he ends up having to move elsewhere to get that contract.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:34 AM

I must be seeing things.

A thread about signing a player rather than trading him for minor unproven leaguers.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:43 AM

Why is it 5 years away (2019)...was thinking he had enough service time for only 3 more cost controlled years (2015, 2016, & 2017, FA in 2018)?

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 11:00 AM

Per Baseball Ref:

Service Time (01/2014): 1.100, Arb Eligible: 2016, Free Agent: 2019
[*], Agents: ABC Mgmt Leventhal & Lapa
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May all our prospects be All Stars and the beer be free.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 12:51 PM

I'd wait and see if his 2013 second half was a fluke or not. He's got enough service time to put in where the Twins can get a pretty team friendly contract, and I'd argue that if he can hit the ball quite well this season, than towards the end of it, they should be doing the extension.

He's not going to be a Longoria, so the contract should be reasonbly priced. If he continues to hit, he's going to be tradable in the event that Rosario and/or Polanso force their way.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 01:37 PM

Er... I think there's a couple of things going on here.

1) Dozier was a (the?) bright spot last half of '13, and is a (the?) bright spot now.

Fine. On radar.

2) Dozier has been public in expressing his willingness for a long-term deal.
Somewhat awkward, at this point.

My theory: Dozier crossed paths with Cuddyer somewhere.

I love Dozier, love watching him play in the field, and if he can make the adjustments (he's being tasked with a lot of stuff already) and pick OBP- I think he can do it- then what's not to love?

I agree with the others here: he has to prove that 1/2 of '13 was not a fluke, and that he can make the necessary adjustments. I have faith here.

Another question- just for fun- is what if he is transitioned back to his natural position at SS, and makes it work?

No more P-Flo-Bartlett-Nunez headaches.
Does that make life easier... and winning more probable?
Just spitballin'.

My bet: Dozier sticks it this year, and the contract discussions begin after game 162.
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Posted 11 April 2014 - 02:19 PM

Er... I think there's a couple of things going on here.

1) Dozier was a (the?) bright spot last half of '13, and is a (the?) bright spot now.

Fine. On radar.

2) Dozier has been public in expressing his willingness for a long-term deal.
Somewhat awkward, at this point.

My theory: Dozier crossed paths with Cuddyer somewhere.

I love Dozier, love watching him play in the field, and if he can make the adjustments (he's being tasked with a lot of stuff already) and pick OBP- I think he can do it- then what's not to love?

I agree with the others here: he has to prove that 1/2 of '13 was not a fluke, and that he can make the necessary adjustments. I have faith here.

Another question- just for fun- is what if he is transitioned back to his natural position at SS, and makes it work?

No more P-Flo-Bartlett-Nunez headaches.
Does that make life easier... and winning more probable?
Just spitballin'.

My bet: Dozier sticks it this year, and the contract discussions begin after game 162.


If he put up the .775 OPS or something like that this season, I'd sign him in the offseason. I'd probably move him to SS when I knew Rosario was ready given the dearth at the position, though for some reason people seem to think that's a bad idea.