It'd be nice if the country was given the option of voting for a real fiscal conservative, bonus points if the person doesn't come with crazy religious baggage. We haven't seen one of those in a long, long time. Eisenhower, maybe? But even Eisenhower's "fiscal conservatism" is in question.
I have also found that for the most part that these discussions are highly ineffective when held on the interwebs. I have had or read several of these conversations with people from my motorcycle boards and then met them in person only to find a completely different individual than their posts were depicting. My main forum doesn't even allow these type of thread because they can be a very slippery slope. I have a feeling this would be an entirely different conversation over some beers.
Also odd that somebody identified themselves as "fairly socialist". Just don't hear that very often.
I guess my problem is some of the underlying assumptions that buttress libertarian thinking (likewise, I'm sure some feel the same way about liberalism or social conservatism), and it is in that argument, where we can get heated.
In regards to voter ID> Why not have everyone v-chipped at birth so then all you would have to do is scan them in. If the goal of the voter ID was preventing fraud from happening they would offer plans that would prevent it from happening.
Keep America American!
With regard to honest debate between "left" and "right" -- seriously the left/right dichotomy is a BIG factor in the problem here. Go check out The Political Compass for a quadrant represenation -- anyway, I agree that someone with some clout needs to make true debates actually occur. For instance, Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nader vs. Ron Paul. Both of them know the great problem of the two party system and how the military-industrial and the Federal Reserve are, well, problems, but yet they have actual legitimate differences in view, differences that hearken back, some, to both the founding of the American system and the general role and function of government. THESE other debates? Two factions of the same damn party.