View Full Version : Twins just claimed Clete Thomas
thrylos98
04-14-2012, 12:14 PM
I guess he takes Baker's 40-man spot. Either Revere to AAA or Burroughs waived
DaTwins
04-14-2012, 12:26 PM
Does anybody know how Clete's defense is? Does he fit best in RF? I see he's not much of a hitter...
Seth Stohs
04-14-2012, 12:37 PM
Twins drafted him yaers ago... they sure like bringing back guys they've drafted previously!
Riverbrian
04-14-2012, 12:38 PM
Does anybody know how Clete's defense is? Does he fit best in RF? I see he's not much of a hitter...
Very good defense. Strong arm with some wheels. Hitting... He has some pop... Can take a base but the contact has been a struggle.
Im not sure that I see the need here but Ryan must like him.
thrylos98
04-14-2012, 12:41 PM
Twins drafted him yaers ago... they sure like bringing back guys they've drafted previously!
The Twins drafted him in the 5th round in 2002 and he did not sign. He was drafted by Detroit in 2005 in the 6th round and signed.
DaTwins
04-14-2012, 12:48 PM
Very good defense. Strong arm with some wheels.
Nice, the Twins could definitely use some outfield defense help.
jorgenswest
04-14-2012, 01:04 PM
I would think it gives Revere a chance to play everyday in AAA. Clete Thomas is probably comparable to Jason Repko. Some defense and speed in the outfield. Played mostly RF in majors but was a CF early in the minors and split time in RF and CF last year. Questionable bat. Little upside at 28 years old. Still hope they claim Rich Thompson.
JasonDRuiz
04-14-2012, 01:16 PM
I like it only if Revere gets sent down to play everyday. He could use time to develop more. Doumit and Parmelee can cover right everyday but who will relieve Span in center?
John Bonnes
04-14-2012, 01:17 PM
I'm happy if Revere is going to get to play everyday someplace else. It's been an absolute waste of his time for him to be with the Twins.
John Bonnes
04-14-2012, 01:18 PM
I like it only if Revere gets sent down to play everyday. He could use time to develop more. Doumit and Parmelee can cover right everyday but who will relieve Span in center?
Most of Thomas' time in the minors he played CF.
John Bonnes
04-14-2012, 01:21 PM
I assume Thomas is out of options and that's why he was available, right? That would mean the Twins entire bench is out of options.
Riverbrian
04-14-2012, 01:23 PM
Yeah... I'm a Ben Revere fan but if he is going to be the 4th. Might as well.
Im a little sad about it. Please say nice things about Ben for a little while. Thanks.
John Bonnes
04-14-2012, 01:38 PM
Clete Thomas is 28, bats left-handed, and had the majority of his playing time in the minors as a center fielder. He initially projected as a possible lead off hitter, but his stats in the minors suggest a fourth outfielder is more likely. Last year, he hit 12 home runs in AAA, but he's only hit 41 in his seven year minor career. In 440 plate appearances in the majors, he hit .253 with a .336 OBP and just a .391 SLG. He's a decent pickup, maybe even an above average fourth outfielder who has the versatility to cover center field. He's also battled some injuries, including Tommy John a few years ago.
Shane Wahl
04-14-2012, 01:58 PM
Left-handed Jason Repko with a bit more slugging potential.
twinswon1991
04-14-2012, 02:38 PM
Defense is SORELY needed! The Twins defense is even worse than the Tigers. And not to mention, with Revere gone, the Twins have the most unathletic team in the league. I hope Gardy uses this guy frequently in late inning situations to sub out Doumit and Willingham who are terrible in the field.
The Twins have too many DH types!
shawntheroad
04-14-2012, 03:53 PM
A good move if Revere goes to AAA. Benson, Revere, Tosoni will be a very good AAA outfield.
tcarlic
04-14-2012, 04:06 PM
Waive Burroughs. That guy can't hit and is not a good pinch hitting option as he has yet to get a hit in that job. Why even claim Thomas? What purpose does he serve?
Jeremy Nygaard
04-14-2012, 04:14 PM
Why even claim Thomas? What purpose does he serve?
If I were TR and asked that question, my response would sound something like this:
We only have two guys on our roster that can play CF. What's best for Ben Revere is to play every day. As long as Denard is healthy, Revere won't be playing every day up here. Thomas gives us a guy that can play all three positions solidly and allow us to send Revere down to further his development.
...or something like that.
Riverbrian
04-14-2012, 04:45 PM
If I were TR and asked that question, my response would sound something like this:
We only have two guys on our roster that can play CF. What's best for Ben Revere is to play every day. As long as Denard is healthy, Revere won't be playing every day up here. Thomas gives us a guy that can play all three positions solidly and allow us to send Revere down to further his development.
...or something like that.
As I read your post... I imagined TR's voice. You know the kinda scratchy grandpa voice that he has.
It fit like a glove. I could hear TR saying exactly that. That was a TR statement to the bone.
Dilligaf69
04-14-2012, 04:47 PM
Makes sense if it's Revere, but what is with this offense?? I thought they broke out of it the other day with 20 hits but it just goes to show you that basesball is SO different from other sports. Something about momentum and the next day's starting pitching??
Dilligaf69
04-14-2012, 04:49 PM
Ben officially optioned to Rochester via twitter.
Highabove
04-14-2012, 04:50 PM
The Twins make the needed move, to energize the Fan base!!!!!!
mike wants wins
04-14-2012, 05:00 PM
What was your favorite Ben Revere moment? This lasts until TR trades Span for someone that is 2+years away from contributing to the team, and then Benson is up. This FO knows it doesn't have great pitching, and needs offense to win, and Revere does not supply that.
Riverbrian
04-14-2012, 05:40 PM
What was your favorite Ben Revere moment? This lasts until TR trades Span for someone that is 2+years away from contributing to the team, and then Benson is up. This FO knows it doesn't have great pitching, and needs offense to win, and Revere does not supply that.
Yeah, that's right... You score more then the other team you win. This Twins team can hit. We will simply pummel them with our bats. Look at the lineup sent out there today. No one in the American league can compete with that. Hang some cookies... Boot some balls. It won't matter because we will bash our way past all of that straight to the top. This offensive lineup can't fail, none of that other so called baseball stuff matters. The addition of Clete Thomas is the final piece. This dude can hit!!!
deanlambrecht
04-14-2012, 06:11 PM
I think it's got offense because it knows it doesn't have the pitching to compete, and offensive shows sell tickets.
Clete Thomas. Meh. Makes sense from the Revere standpoint only, but sometimes I wonder why we're hanging onto Revere, frankly. We'll see...
greengoblinrulz
04-14-2012, 06:43 PM
.253/.336/.391 in 145 MLB gm ...391Abs 22doubles 8hr 48 rbi 5sb 103k 47bb
.252/.336/.409 in 255 AAAgm...904ABs 52doubles 26HR 128rbi 76sb 299k 107bb
roger
04-14-2012, 07:01 PM
A good move if Revere goes to AAA. Benson, Revere, Tosoni will be a very good AAA outfield.
You have to include Matt Carson in that outfield. Is a toss up whether Carson or Dozier is their best hitter. I agree that this is a good move as Revere needs to play every day. He needs to work on the little things that will make him a good major leaguer. Things like bunting for base hits, etc!
Jesse1
04-14-2012, 07:40 PM
yeah, the Twins need to put a claim on Rich Thompson and send Burnett to AAA as well
nicksaviking
04-14-2012, 09:14 PM
Thomas finally improved his HR total at AAA last year which had long been expected. Unfortunately it looks like it came at the expense of his previously respectable OBP.
The bonus in having Thomas up instead of Revere, is Gardy won't feel pressure to make right field a three man platoon. Doumit and Plouffe should get nearly every start.
Teflon
04-14-2012, 09:47 PM
Thomas sounded like a fan favorite on Tiger blogs. They describe him as fast, strong-armed outfielder who always hustled. Not the greatest contact guy at the plate, however, and some history of injuries. He will give the Twins a better backup option defensively in the outfield corners.
TwinsMusings
04-14-2012, 09:51 PM
This move was at least as much about Rochester's need as it was the Twins'. Tosoni just went on the DL and they were going to have to call up an OF from AA. This move is much better for both Rochester and Revere, who as many have already said, will benefit from regular playing time. Thomas will be a decent defensive replacement for all three OF positions for the Twins, so it works for the ML team as well.
stringer bell
04-14-2012, 09:55 PM
The Twins appear to be in reload mode. If they aren't in contention guys like Doumit, Capps, Pavano and maybe Carroll and Span could be on the trading block. They need to know who they can count on beyond this year and what holes need to be filled from outside. Probably outside of Span, Willingham, Mauer and Morneau everybody needs to prove themselves, including Casilla, Valencia, Parmelee, Plouffe, and any callups. I like the move to get Revere out of right field and to give Plouffe more of a clear field to get his at-bats. Revere would probably benefit some from regular play at Rochester, as well. To be a better slap and dash hitter, Revere needs to get more walks and become a better bunter.
VodkaDave
04-14-2012, 10:07 PM
The Twins appear to be in reload mode. If they aren't in contention guys like Doumit, Capps, Pavano and maybe Carroll and Span could be on the trading block. They need to know who they can count on beyond this year and what holes need to be filled from outside. Probably outside of Span, Willingham, Mauer and Morneau everybody needs to prove themselves, including Casilla, Valencia, Parmelee, Plouffe, and any callups. I like the move to get Revere out of right field and to give Plouffe more of a clear field to get his at-bats. Revere would probably benefit some from regular play at Rochester, as well. To be a better slap and dash hitter, Revere needs to get more walks and become a better bunter.
If they are "out" of it by the deadline, Pavano, Capps, Doumit, Marquis and Liriano all certainly need to be traded for anything. Pavano however might bring back a draft pick, and I think the Twins would give him the qualifying offer of 1 year 12.5 mil either way? However the rest need to be shipped out for anything they can get, and if Pavano pitches like he did the past 2 years he should be able to bring back a decent prospect from a contender. Ideally Liriano can go on a little hot streak as well and can trick a team into trading for him. Hopefully Capps has a nice year as well and we can trick someone into giving us a top 100 prospect back...well I guess there is only one Bill Smith so that won't happen.
Doumit is interesting though... if he proves effective and healthy I wouldn't mind trying to sign him during the season through 2013, nice to finally have some legit catcher depth.
If Dozier proves himself major league ready I would toss Carroll on the block as well, though he could be nice to keep around for 2013 as a starting 2B if that is the case. Hughes will never cut it and Alexi continues to be an enigma.
I wouldn't trade Span unless one of Revere, Benson or Hicks proves they are ready to take over full time in CF. He is already signed to a pretty team friendly deal until 2015, so I don't see the rush in trying to get rid of him (unless you get blown away by an offer), if Benson or Hicks steps up you can move Span to RF/LF and have a really nice defense.
thrylos98
04-14-2012, 10:35 PM
I wouldn't trade Span unless one of Revere, Benson or Hicks proves they are ready to take over full time in CF. He is already signed to a pretty team friendly deal until 2015, so I don't see the rush in trying to get rid of him (unless you get blown away by an offer), if Benson or Hicks steps up you can move Span to RF/LF and have a really nice defense.
Here is the one thing that the Twins need to do: sell high. And I don't think that there will be much higher value than Span. As far as what he could bring, I think that the Nate McClouth trade to Atlanta in 2009 would be a good comparable, and Span has more club control. For the record, McClouth, brought back an MLB-ready mid-rotation starter (Morton) and 2 of Atlanta's top 5 prospects per BA... Given that the Twins have only one starter under contract (and with a bum shoulder) in 2013, trading Span should be like on top of their business order...
Riverbrian
04-14-2012, 11:10 PM
If the Twins are out of it at the deadline. They gotta go young and move anything of value or risk setting the franchise adrift for awhile.
It's a canary in the coal mine season. If the team is in it... They will buy at the deadline because TR will know that they will need the boost and it won't be coming from the minors. Plus payroll was shaved this year and that money (or some of it) can be re invested back into the club if a reason to do that is exhibited.
If the team isn't in it. You are coming off 99 loses and you have a weak farm at the major league ready level. The majority of your payroll is tied up in two players who couldn't carry you and have medical charts so extensive that they can no longer be lifted by just one nurse.
In that scenario... Not selling everything of value to restock and possibly improve draft position at the same time would set the organization back and delay our glorious return to the top of the AL Central.
This team can dance around the Doumit and Marquis type players all they want. The current state of the farm system needs the attention right now... specifically pitching.
Its one thing to be a non contender for two years. To be a non contender for 10 will make the new target field seem over indulgent.
Billy Bremner
04-14-2012, 11:29 PM
While the Twins nibble away at scraps, there is a vibrant baseball scene going on in the real world of the MLB. Enjoy analyzing this crucial move that will certainly upset the balance of power in the world of baseball!
VodkaDave
04-15-2012, 12:50 AM
Here is the one thing that the Twins need to do: sell high. And I don't think that there will be much higher value than Span. As far as what he could bring, I think that the Nate McClouth trade to Atlanta in 2009 would be a good comparable, and Span has more club control. For the record, McClouth, brought back an MLB-ready mid-rotation starter (Morton) and 2 of Atlanta's top 5 prospects per BA... Given that the Twins have only one starter under contract (and with a bum shoulder) in 2013, trading Span should be like on top of their business order...
No need to "sell" high on him this year, you can always sell higher on him next year or down the road when he has an (ideally) full healthy productive year under his belt AND someone has stepped up to take the CF position. And I already mentioned you trade him now if you get a really good offer for him.
A couple years ago the apparently had the chance to trade him for Storen, a young relief pitcher/closer isn't exactly a mid rotation starter and 2 top prospects.
Also I will take exception to calling Morton a major league ready mid rotation starter, Morton was always medicore and his 5.11 ERA in the National league proves how bad he is. He is a boarderline #5 pitcher who would only bet getting starts for a team as bad as the Pirates. Also the two "top" prospects they got turned out to be pretty worthless as well. Hernandez is a bust, and Locke another boarderline #5 guy. So using that as an example doesn't exactly hold a lot of weight.
If someone wants to give us a young pitcher with upside (who is close to ML ready) then by all means trade Span now, but if not it doesn't hurt to keep him around past this season. At this point he is actually one of the few close to sure things in this lineup, and he is on a team friendly deal for the next few years. Last thing you want to do is create a huge hole at CF and have to plug that in with overpaying for a CF in the FA market.
If you trade him now you run the risk of 2012 and 2013 having CF being patrolled by Revere and his completely empty .280 average or Benson who clearly isn't major league ready...yet, unless you want him to be striking out at a Mark Reynolds rate without as much Home Run power. If Benson steps up or Revere magically learns how to OPS over .740, then you be more active with Span on the market.
Riverbrian
04-15-2012, 01:09 AM
While the Twins nibble away at scraps, there is a vibrant baseball scene going on in the real world of the MLB. Enjoy analyzing this crucial move that will certainly upset the balance of power in the world of baseball!
When I was younger I used to spend my time worrying about much more important things.
I spent a year of the prime of my life in the Swiss Alps as part of a special task force charged with mediating a peace agreement between the warring people of the Cantons of Valais and Ticino. They had a decade long dispute over control of the black nose sheep population and there was a serious threat of it going nuclear. I spent countless hours mediating stressful negotiations and attending political cheese parties where the cheese would make your face pucker in such a way that the delagates would think you were mocking them during conversation. We tried numerous stategies from pie charts displaying equal distubution of the sheep, to the introduction of more blue ox to balance each regions supply of valued resource, to building more strip clubs to increase overall happiness. Nothing worked and the only thing I gained from all that effort was the knowledge that yodeling is a poor form of communication.
I find that discussing the finer points of Ben Revere and Clete Thomas much more to my liking at my advancing age.
twinsnorth49
04-15-2012, 08:53 AM
While the Twins nibble away at scraps, there is a vibrant baseball scene going on in the real world of the MLB. Enjoy analyzing this crucial move that will certainly upset the balance of power in the world of baseball!
There is a real world of MLB? Is it some kind of 4th dimension thing? Do the players there make $50,000 a year like most real people? This is pretty enlightening stuff!
glanzer
04-15-2012, 01:03 PM
Slightly off-topic, but this move reminds me of 1997 when the Twins abruptly acquired outfielder Darrin Jackson and immediately inserted him into the lineup before most fans even knew he was with the team. Of course in that game, if memory serves, he hit a grand slam and had 6 RBI or something. I have a feeling it's going to be that kind of Sunday for Clete Thomas.
Scheherezade
04-15-2012, 02:39 PM
Slightly off-topic, but this move reminds me of 1997 when the Twins abruptly acquired outfielder Darrin Jackson and immediately inserted him into the lineup before most fans even knew he was with the team. Of course in that game, if memory serves, he hit a grand slam and had 6 RBI or something. I have a feeling it's going to be that kind of Sunday for Clete Thomas.
He's got 2 RBIs so far, here's to hoping you are right.