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    Quote Originally Posted by oldguy10 View Post
    I think any Twins' fans would take Abreu like numbers from Arcia. And I'd sure like to see some of the attitude Gardy displays toward him be a thing of the past, none of the young players need that, at least I sure do not think so. Encouragement not disparagement toward the younger players is what is needed from management at all levels.
    My memory from last year is that Gardy was very positive with reference to Arcia. He would talk about how he loved his fearless attitude as he approached the plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldguy10 View Post
    I think any Twins' fans would take Abreu like numbers from Arcia. And I'd sure like to see some of the attitude Gardy displays toward him be a thing of the past, none of the young players need that, at least I sure do not think so. Encouragement not disparagement toward the younger players is what is needed from management at all levels.
    I have no real idea what you mean about Gardy attitude toward Arcia and perhaps other young players. A great of deal what Gardy says is generic, you read what you want into it, and a lot of fans do. The really important stuff Gardy says, is said directly to the player and largely in private. I don't hear a lot of "Gardy is sure tough on young players" from ex players or really indirectly from anybody else who might have some actual knowlege. The whole Gardy is too tough on young players seems to come from certain segments of the fans, who largely don't like Gardy for other reasons as well.


    None of this means that Gardy is the perfect manager for every young player or that he is anything close to a great manager. I think he is a good manager, I think he has a good, hard working staff and I am satisfied with that.


    I thought Tom Kelly was pretty close to a great manager. I wish he would of had better teams to work with during his time with the Twins. There were those who thought he was too hard on young players as well. It is sort of ironic that among his more important most-managerial duties for the Twins is working with young minor league players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrylos View Post
    Advantageous and adventurous as well...
    This is from tonight:

    OK, first off, that is definitely on him. However... did you see how much that ball was bouncing? Outfield hits didn't even bounce that high off the Astroturf at the Metrodome (except for Knobby's in '91)! This wasn't a case of an outfielder being too lazy to bend down for the ball, as it actually bounced OVER his glove. Again, he should still be cognizant of where he is playing, but I'll chalk this up to focusing too much on the runner at third.

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    How did we acquire Arcia?

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    What's a key party?

    Anywhoo, I think it's equally likely that pitchers will not throw as many heaters to Arcia when behind in the count. And the game of cat and mouse will commence. While I think he can improve on his pitch recognition skills. I hope he doesn't change his approach and suddenly become a patient hitter. We will need those violent swings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    What's a key party?
    It's not the one that you trade vehicles with people.
    "Maybe you could go grab a bat and ballÖ and learn something. Maybe you will get it."
    - Strib commenter educating the elitists on the value of RBI's

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    Quote Originally Posted by snepp View Post
    It's not the one that you trade vehicles with people.
    Just prior to the Revolutionary War people threw keys into the lake to protest the stadium tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRex View Post
    OK, first off, that is definitely on him. However... did you see how much that ball was bouncing? Outfield hits didn't even bounce that high off the Astroturf at the Metrodome (except for Knobby's in '91)! This wasn't a case of an outfielder being too lazy to bend down for the ball, as it actually bounced OVER his glove. Again, he should still be cognizant of where he is playing, but I'll chalk this up to focusing too much on the runner at third.
    When I first saw Arcia play I commented "this guy is a White Sox outfielder". Last season and this video confirms that. I'm not sure how he progresses as a hitter, but I'm am sure his future is as a DH and not a fielder.

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    Can he play short?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay View Post
    From the numbers we were looking at the other day, it'd be easy to say Dozier does the same thing. As I look at it more now, their numbers are both a bit more to the extremes (Arcia especially), but not really bizarre or anything. Parker, where'd you get the .510 for Arcia when ahead?

    Splits via BRef, MLB:
    Ahead - .297/.463/.494 (.957)
    Behind - .202/.210.294 (.504)

    Dozier:
    Ahead - .312/.460/.618 (1.078)
    Behind - .183/.197/.254 (.451)

    Arcia:
    Ahead - .365/.492/.719 (1.210)
    Behind - .143/.149/.171 (.320)
    Wow, those are amazing splits and it underscores one of the big faults to the Twins hitting philosophy. For the most part, Twins hitters seem to guess very rarely. I'd like to seem them guess a lot more. Way too often our hitters seem to try to cover the whole plate or look to slap the ball oppo, even before they get 2 strikes. I really hope the coaching staff is looking at this and will develop a cheat sheet for each opposing pitcher regarding what they like to do on 0-0, 0-1, 1-0, and 1-1 counts. If our hitters can do a better job of guessing on these early counts hopefully they'll either hit balls harder earlier in the count, effectively increasing their OPS earlier in the count (by taking the same approach as if it was 2-0 or 3-1). And if it helps them get in hitters count, then all the better. There's no excuse for swinging at pitches outside the zone with less than two strikes. It would be really interesting to see a comparison of Twins hitters O-swing% versus other teams in the league with less than 2 strikes. Maybe somebody with more time and expertise with the data could look into that. And it would be interesting to compare the difference in ISO between AAA/AA and the majors for Twins players versus players from other teams. It seems like our guys have a much harder time getting SLG to transfer from the minors to the majors. If our coaching staff can't address this (if we truly are below average in this regard), it makes all our projections about future prospect stardom a mute point.

    These are the metrics we should use to grade our manager and hitting coaches.
    Last edited by alskntwnsfn; 01-15-2014 at 01:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alskntwnsfn View Post
    These are the metrics we should use to grade our manager and hitting coaches.
    It's a great point and I have always wondered why we seem to have so few ways of measuring coaching impact. You would think, given the degree of analytics we have, that we might have a few handy, meaningful ways of analyzing coaching staffs.

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