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    Nick Franklin available for ss?

    With the Mariners signing Cano, the availibility of either Nick Franklin or Brad Miller in a trade from the Mariners became a possibility. Would the Twins consider trading Aaron Hicks for either one, in a 1-1 swap? I don't know if I would, but either one of those players would really help our middle infield. With our abundance of young outfielders in our system, would the Twins move Hicks? I don't know what else we could offer the Mariners, but Hicks is maybe too much for either one in a 1-1 swap. The Mariners are looking for a young outfielder that can play defense, maybe we could get more in the trade. That is if the Twins would be willing to part with Hicks, which I don't think they would.
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    The Twins need the depth in the outfield. Plus, Ryan would never trade a guy who's stock is so low. Hicks is due for a bounce-back season, and you don't want that to happen after you trade him.

    As for Franklin, I don't know if he's available because of the Cano signing. Cano is a second baseman who hasn't played short on a regular basis since the minors. I can't see him moving at this point.
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    I don't think Hicks is enough honestly. They're both coming off down years but Franklin is younger and a better prospect pre 2013. I would love to trade for him but imo you don't trade a guy like Hicks or Gibson who are both coming off down years. Both have a really nice shot to rebound.

    The Mariners are going all in right now with the Cano signing. They might want some more major league ready pieces like a bullpen piece and power. Burton/Willingham? Maybe add in a decent C level prospect?

    I might consider Perkins 1 for 1 honestly too, but only if you're sure he can play SS.

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    He's about as good a SS as I am, from what I read online from scouts.....why would you want him? And, trade Hicks? Who plays LF/CF/RF/DH over the next several years then?

    I don't understand this concept at all.

    Dave Cameron: Scouts have never liked Franklin’s glove.

    "He's not a shortstop, and while he could conceivably become an outfielder, he isn't one now and there's not a lot left for him to do in the minors," Sullivan writes
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfchest View Post
    I don't think Hicks is enough honestly.
    Agreed. They had similar prospect rankings pre-2013, but Franklin is 1.5 years younger and posted a 96 rookie OPS+, compared to Hicks' 65.

    Don't about much about Franklin's SS defense, but his cumulative 2013 TZ and DRS figures at 2B were comparable to Dozier. Actually, his 2013 season overall is pretty comparable to Dozier's, when accounting for playing time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    As for Franklin, I don't know if he's available because of the Cano signing. Cano is a second baseman who hasn't played short on a regular basis since the minors. I can't see him moving at this point.
    Franklin played 2B last year. (Unless you mean Miller, who played SS.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    He's about as good a SS as I am, from what I read online from scouts.....why would you want him? And, trade Hicks? Who plays LF/CF/RF/DH over the next several years then?
    I'm pretty sure we have LF/RF/DH covered without any need for Hicks. Not trying to read too much into his rookie season, but Hicks looks like a CF or bust type of player -- not much potential value in the corners.

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    Really? I'm stuck trying to name an OF other than Buxton, who has never played above A ball, btw. I get we are all excited about him being the next Eric Davis....and I share the optimism. But Arcia is a DH. No one (maybe Rosario?) is in LF. And who is in RF if Arcia is the DH (or vice versa).

    And, as I pointed out, no one thinks Franklin can play SS .....
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    In your opinion then, Hicks is the only MLB-ready Twins outfielder above A-ball right now? Seems a little extreme, and quite in the minority. Like it or not, our corner OF spots are pretty much set in 2014 and they have little to do with Hicks.

    Regardless of whether he can play SS, Franklin could very well have a better MLB future than Hicks. (Probably why Seattle would decline such an offer too.) That's probably a more important consideration for the Twins right now than trying to fill specific holes -- face it, the Twins are going to have holes next season no matter what. Heck, one of them might be Hicks in CF.

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    But where would you play Franklin? I''m not opposed to dealing Hicks, I'm opposed to dealing him for a 2B when you have Dozier and Rosario.

    No, I think Arcia could be a corner OFer. But past next year, I can't name an OFer on the 40 man I am convinced (since Arcia might prove to be a DH) will be up in 2015 and beyond (though I believe Buxton will be, that would still be quite fast). But this isn't about Hicks, as I keep trying to type. It is about Nick Franklin.....and what role he would fill here.
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    Lets not forget the chance that Sano ends up in Right with the mixed reviews at 3rd and the cannon arm. His bat will play anywhere. Most scouting reports I've read said he may be able to stay at 3rd but there is always a chance. Still, I think you hang on to Hicks because the talent is there and even as a 4th outfielder he has value. Franklin would be redundant at 2nd and can't play SS. I would guess Miller is unavailable. NO Thank you.

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    Franklin might be a good get for us, but I'd rather see them pursue Chris Taylor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    But where would you play Franklin? I''m not opposed to dealing Hicks, I'm opposed to dealing him for a 2B when you have Dozier and Rosario.
    If the Twins liked Franklin's MLB future a lot better than Hicks' (I have no idea if I believe that, much less if the Twins do), I'd do the trade and worry about the positions later. Even if neither is a long-term SS, Franklin or Dozier could play there in 2014.

    Contenders have to worry about fielding a full, optimized defensive lineup. The Twins can afford to be creative right now to get talent into the organization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    But where would you play Franklin? I''m not opposed to dealing Hicks, I'm opposed to dealing him for a 2B when you have Dozier and Rosario.

    No, I think Arcia could be a corner OFer. But past next year, I can't name an OFer on the 40 man I am convinced (since Arcia might prove to be a DH) will be up in 2015 and beyond (though I believe Buxton will be, that would still be quite fast). But this isn't about Hicks, as I keep trying to type. It is about Nick Franklin.....and what role he would fill here.
    I did not research prior to posting about getting Franklin. If he can't play SS then I'm not that interested. He's not going to come for free and will require a decent prospect or two or more likely something Major League ready as the M's are in win now mode.

    The only other option would be if the Twins feel Dozier could flip back to SS. He looked good enough at 2B I could see it being possible. At the same time though I'd worry about that messing with his head again if he can't handle it defensively. He looks great at 2B and seemed to break out during the 2nd half. If Franklin can't play SS as you say, then I think the Twins have to pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
    Franklin played 2B last year. (Unless you mean Miller, who played SS.)
    Right, but second base is arguably the strongest position in the organization, with Dozier, Rosario and Polanco. So I thought the thread was about upgrading short.
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    I agree, if they feel Dozier can play SS, go find a 2B if they want.....more and more, I'm thinking Rosario could be the LF of the future, if Dozier stays at 2B or they find another 2B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    Right, but second base is arguably the strongest position in the organization, with Dozier, Rosario and Polanco. So I thought the thread was about upgrading short.
    I was responding to this quote of yours:

    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    As for Franklin, I don't know if he's available because of the Cano signing. Cano is a second baseman who hasn't played short on a regular basis since the minors. I can't see him moving at this point.
    I guess I am not really sure what you meant there. Obviously Cano is staying at 2B, and that means Franklin (their current 2B) is directly affected. MLBTR calls him an "obvious trade candidate".

    And while he's not likely a future MLB SS, Franklin could probably play there for a couple years. He was predominately a SS in the minors as recently as April/May 2013. He probably would have auditioned at SS for Seattle last year, if not for the rapid ascent of Miller.
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    It would be hard to find a closer comp in value, so given each team's respective needs, what about a trade of six years of switch-hitting Seattle infielder Nick Franklin for six years of switch-hitting Minnesota centerfielder Aaron Hicks?

    Oliver projects a five-year WAR of 14.7 for Franklin and 14.8 for Hicks, who is 17 months older than Franklin. Franklin has 126 days of MLB service while Hicks has 124 days of MLB service.

    Hicks is listed behind Josh Willingham, Alex Pressley and Oswaldo Arcia on the Minnesota depth chart in the outfield (with top prospect Byron Buxton waiting in the wings):

    http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/team/dep ... /?c_id=min

    http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.as ... L&teamid=8

    Hicks flopped in his MLB debut in 2013 (making the initial jump from Double A), while Franklin faded down the stretch.

    In its 2011 preseason prospect rankings, Baseball America had Hicks at No. 45 and Franklin at No. 53. Neither player was ranked in 2012, but in 2013 BA had Hicks at No. 72 and Franklin at No. 79.

    In 102 games this season, Franklin was valued at 0.4 and 2.3 WAR by FanGraphs and Baseball Reference, respectively. In 81 games this season, Hicks was valued at -0.7 and 0.7 WAR, respectively.

    Steamer projects a 2014 WAR of 0.2 for Hicks in 32 games and 0.1 for Franklin in 50 games while Oliver projects at 2014 WAR of 2.8 for Hicks and 2.6 for Franklin in 143 games apiece:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?pl ... osition=OF

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?pl ... osition=2B

    Hicks was the 14th player taken in the 2008 draft while Franklin was the 27th player taken in the 2009 draft.

    And the minor league stats for Hicks and Franklin:

    AH 2192 PA, .269/.376/.418/.794, 323 BB (14.7%), 446 K (20.3%)
    NF 1756 PA, .287/.360/.459/.819, 168 BB (9.6%), 338 K (19.2%)

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... cks-001aar

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... ankl001nic

    Franklin generally played in hitter-friendlier leagues in the minors, although he typically advanced at a younger age.

    And look what I found when I Googled "Nick Franklin Aaron Hicks":

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8EuVPGiNco

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    The Twins need the depth in the outfield. Plus, Ryan would never trade a guy who's stock is so low. Hicks is due for a bounce-back season, and you don't want that to happen after you trade him.

    As for Franklin, I don't know if he's available because of the Cano signing. Cano is a second baseman who hasn't played short on a regular basis since the minors. I can't see him moving at this point.
    Im old and forget a lot, who was the last guy Terry traded when his stock was high?

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    No thanks. Franklin wouldn't be the guy I'd go after if I wanted one of Seattle's middle infielders. I don't like the idea of moving Dozier back to SS. He needs to stay at second.

    Not so sure I'd trade Hicks just yet. What's the rush? If he can come back and put up decent numbers his value will only increase. Remember, Dozier looked like crap when he first came up as well.

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