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    Quote Originally Posted by COtwin View Post
    I'll give him credit for Meyer out of those 3. Even a blind squirrel would have picked Buxton.


    Edit: He also made a few other good picks and signings to be fair. But He has missed about as much as the next guy.
    Was the Houston Astros being led by said creature?

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    Quote Originally Posted by diehardtwinsfan View Post
    Except for Houston

    I should note that there were some questions about him. Not everyone said he should be picked 1 overall.
    I agree with you 100%

    I fully admit to being very convinced that the Twins should have taken a College Pitcher instead... because of immediate need.

    I would have been very happy with Gausman, Zimmer or Appel instead of Buxton.

    At at this point I'm happy the Twins didn't listen to me and I don't think Buxton was the slam dunk choice at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post
    I agree with you 100%

    I fully admit to being very convinced that the Twins should have taken a College Pitcher instead... because of immediate need.

    I would have been very happy with Gausman, Zimmer or Appel instead of Buxton.

    At at this point I'm happy the Twins didn't listen to me and I don't think Buxton was the slam dunk choice at the time.
    I agree. I wanted Zunino because I didn't think the Twins could afford to wait and I've always felt pitchers are too risky in the top five.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post
    I agree with you 100%

    I fully admit to being very convinced that the Twins should have taken a College Pitcher instead... because of immediate need.

    I would have been very happy with Gausman, Zimmer or Appel instead of Buxton.

    At at this point I'm happy the Twins didn't listen to me and I don't think Buxton was the slam dunk choice at the time.
    Draft Axiom #1 and 1A: Never draft for need....and.....Always choose the BPA. Buxton clearly was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    Draft Axiom #1 and 1A: Never draft for need....and.....Always choose the BPA. Buxton clearly was.
    Someone should mail Rob Antony, the topic of this thread, a link to the helpful advice posted here so far.

    Alternatively, I might re-title this thread "Terry Ryan - your thoughts?"

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    Whose position/responsibilities did Rob Antony take over? This looks like they the Twins just gave a bunch of guys raises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnarthor View Post
    I don't think he'll retire until the Twins are winning again. He's done a pretty good job setting up a future (Buxton/Sano/Meyer foundation) in his time back but I think he'd want to see it blossom first.

    Shouldnt Bill Smith get credit for Buxton? He got the blame for the horrible season , giving the Twins the 2nd overall pick...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jharaldson View Post
    Whose position/responsibilities did Rob Antony take over? This looks like they the Twins just gave a bunch of guys raises.
    Gotta spend team profits some how , right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jharaldson View Post
    Whose position/responsibilities did Rob Antony take over? This looks like they the Twins just gave a bunch of guys raises.
    Correct for a lot of those (same job, fatter title) but here is Antony's new role from the press release. What I have in bold are new responsibilities:

    Rob Antony joined the Twins organization in 1988 and has served as the team's Assistant General Manager since 2007. In his role as Vice President, Assistant General Manager, Antony will be responsible for major league contracts, including arbitration; the evaluation of major and minor league players; and day-to-day oversight of the club's video, baseball analytics and baseball communications departments. Prior to being named Assistant General Manager, Antony worked as Director, Baseball Operations (1995-2007); Director, Media Relations (1991-1995); and Assistant Director, Media Relations (1988-1991). A Minneapolis native and graduate of the University of Minnesota, Antony and his wife Lynn have two children and reside in Plymouth, Minn.

    He used to be responsible for contracts. This whole player evaluation and personnel decisions used to be under Radcliff as VP of player personnel; the rest (analytics, video, communications) used to be directly under TR. Not sure how that will play out...
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnydakota View Post
    Gotta spend team profits some how , right?
    You don't give raises from profit, bonuses yes, raises no.

    Antony seems like a sharp enough guy, probably deserves a raise, I'm happy for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notoriousgod71 View Post
    The thing I like most about this is that we are promoting from within, giving this team some much needed stability and proving you don't need recent on-field success to get promoted.
    This team has nothing but stability. It's had the same old white men in charge for over two decades. I'm not against Anthony getting the job, but only if he's the best candidate. They implied they were doing away with the country club last year, or did that only apply to players? I don't like this, what if a superior external candidate is available and willing to take this job? This isn't a monarchy, this is a capitalistic enterprise, there should not be a line of succession. There needs to be an extensive search for the best possible leader and if it ends up being Anthony, great, I might even cheer for him to get it, but it should not be a given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivlikejehu View Post
    Age-wise I think he'd be around average. I'm not excited with him as future GM... seems like Bill Smith 2.0.
    It takes alot more than articles and interviews to assess relative ability and specific skills sets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    This team has nothing but stability. It's had the same old white men in charge for over two decades. I'm not against Anthony getting the job, but only if he's the best candidate. They implied they were doing away with the country club last year, or did that only apply to players? I don't like this, what if a superior external candidate is available and willing to take this job? This isn't a monarchy, this is a capitalistic enterprise, there should not be a line of succession. There needs to be an extensive search for the best possible leader and if it ends up being Anthony, great, I might even cheer for him to get it, but it should not be a given.
    There is definitely something to be said for a having extensive experience in an organization. That would definitely be a strong selling point in his application, it can certainly help an individual succeed in a position. However, I agree with the point that Twins do not do a good job of making prominent positions open to a wide range of candidates. And I am concerned that the organization does not necessarily embrace new ideas. I think a more open process for hiring top management would help foster that sort of working environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AM. View Post
    T However, I agree with the point that Twins do not do a good job of making prominent positions open to a wide range of candidates..
    This is not the Twins only. Especially for promotions like the majority of those announced. Those job openings are not advertised, they are not competitive, they are just handed. As far as employers are concerned MLB baseball is stuck in the 40s and 50s. MiLB baseball is better but it is a whole different ballgame there (pun intended.)

    Positions like GM and Manager are pretty much the only visible ones open for a search (in most clubs) when they are vacant. Other positions like interns and communications people and grounds etc are open. Speaking specifically about baseball operations here. Those positions are handed. Example: The Twins had a new Director of Minor League Operations last off-season. Was that job posted? No. Was that job handed? Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AM. View Post
    There is definitely something to be said for a having extensive experience in an organization. That would definitely be a strong selling point in his application, it can certainly help an individual succeed in a position. However, I agree with the point that Twins do not do a good job of making prominent positions open to a wide range of candidates. And I am concerned that the organization does not necessarily embrace new ideas. I think a more open process for hiring top management would help foster that sort of working environment.
    This is a tough balancing act, no question about it. I've worked for orgs that had no problems firing people and bringing in new talent, and I've worked for orgs that we would call inbred. Both extremes have their pros and cons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrylos View Post
    Correct for a lot of those (same job, fatter title) but here is Antony's new role from the press release. What I have in bold are new responsibilities:

    Rob Antony joined the Twins organization in 1988 and has served as the team's Assistant General Manager since 2007. In his role as Vice President, Assistant General Manager, Antony will be responsible for major league contracts, including arbitration; the evaluation of major and minor league players; and day-to-day oversight of the club's video, baseball analytics and baseball communications departments. Prior to being named Assistant General Manager, Antony worked as Director, Baseball Operations (1995-2007); Director, Media Relations (1991-1995); and Assistant Director, Media Relations (1988-1991). A Minneapolis native and graduate of the University of Minnesota, Antony and his wife Lynn have two children and reside in Plymouth, Minn.

    He used to be responsible for contracts. This whole player evaluation and personnel decisions used to be under Radcliff as VP of player personnel; the rest (analytics, video, communications) used to be directly under TR. Not sure how that will play out...
    Then this has to be a demotion or sidelining of Radcliffe. How can you be VP of player personnel and not have authority to evaluate the personnel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jharaldson View Post
    Then this has to be a demotion or sidelining of Radcliffe. How can you be VP of player personnel and not have authority to evaluate the personnel?
    Not necessarily. Antony might be Radcliff's new boss (instead of TR), as it looks like he is Goin's, Steil's, Morse's and likely Johnson's. Simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jharaldson View Post
    Then this has to be a demotion or sidelining of Radcliffe. How can you be VP of player personnel and not have authority to evaluate the personnel?
    I'm not convinced that Radcliff wanted to move up to a GM job. There was a story in the last couple of years that the Twins had denied other clubs the right to interview Radcliffe.

    Even at the time, I thought that had to be Radcliff's choice. It just didn't seem like TR or the organization were the type to deny someone the opportunity to move up to a different job if the person really wanted it.

    This is from a Gleeman column on November 14, 2011:

    Days before firing Smith the Twins denied the Orioles permission to interview vice president of player personnel Mike Radcliff for their GM opening, but several sources have suggested that was more about Radcliff's lack of interest in the job than anything else. Radcliff was the Twins' longtime scouting director prior to switching roles when Smith replaced Ryan in 2007 and is a big part of the organization, although Ryan admitted Radcliff was "spread too thin" recently.

    http://aarongleeman.com/tag/mike-radcliff/

    Radcliff comes from a scouting background just as Terry Ryan did. Maybe he has made a decision that he doesn't want all the business-type responsibilities that go along with a GM job.

    He's also been around the organization for a long time. I can't find his age but I think he may be just a little older than TR. Maybe he's pointing toward retirement and moving some of his duties helps facilitate that.

    (Note, I did find that it says he joined the major league scouting bureau in 1982 so he may not be older than Terry Ryan but he is probably in his 50's and maybe late 50's).
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnydakota View Post
    Shouldnt Bill Smith get credit for Buxton? He got the blame for the horrible season , giving the Twins the 2nd overall pick...
    And he has to get all the credit for Sano. I'm curious when people give all the credit to this "foundation of prospects" knocking on the door at Ryan's footsteps- Buxton was clearly the BPA- good for Ryan, but it was low-hanging fruit- and no credit to Smith ( who always drafted from well-down from the top of the pool):

    Here're more drafted/signed during Smith's era:

    Brian Dozier
    Aaron Hicks
    Kyle Gibson
    Chris Hermann

    Propsects (w/ Seth's rating):

    #2 Miguel Sano
    #5 Eddie Rosario
    #6 Jorge Palanco
    #8 Max Kepler
    #12 Travis Harrison
    #15 Danny Santana
    #20 Niko Goodrum
    #25 Michael Tonkin

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinsnorth49 View Post
    You don't give raises from profit, bonuses yes, raises no.

    Antony seems like a sharp enough guy, probably deserves a raise, I'm happy for him.
    your paycheck comes directly from profits, if not the company has to barrow to meet payroll

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