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    Good move for Twins. Doumit rather quickly became "that guy" that was really messing things up. He was one of many DH/Outfield types on that roster. Im shocked that Atlanta dealt Gilmartin for such little return in Doumit. Yes, he has struggled with command and staying healthy this year, but he is still only 23! He has plenty of time to become more than the rich man's Scott Diamond that he currently looks like. Even if he stays in AAA for ever, good move by Minnesota opening a roster spot and gaining back $3.5 million

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    Quote Originally Posted by darin617 View Post
    I love it how all these Twins fans are experts when it comes to Gilmartin! He was hurt last year and the Twins will never be accused of rushing a pitcher before he is ready to move up.
    Some of the bloggers around here follow college baseball, the draft, and the minor leagues very closely. While none of us are pro scouts we can still use our knowledge of prospects to come to opinions on players.

    I personally pay a lot of attention to the draft and remember how the Twins were heavily linked to Gilmartin at the time. Didn't like his scouting reports then and don't like them now. You can be a lefty and have success with a 88-92 fastball but it usually requires great fastball movement, deceptive delivery, or a premium secondary pitch (none of which Gilmartin has). Unless his change up takes a big step forward I have a hard time seeing him being a long term big league starter.

    Maybe Gilmartin with turn into a back of the rotation starter. Maybe not. Either way I still like the trade for the Twins.

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    I'm not wild about Gilmartin, wasn't excited about the scouting reports before he was drafted, that said, I like this deal for the Twins. Looking at his splits and some of the more recent stuff I've read about him, maybe he turns into Duensing? Doumit is redundant on this team, old, and only signed for this year. This is the sort of moves the Twins should have been making the past several years but for the most part haven't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmb0252 View Post
    Maybe Gilmartin with turn into a back of the rotation starter. Maybe not. Either way I still like the trade for the Twins.
    Exactly, Gilmartin may not work out but there's that shot where he could be a starter. Good trade for the Twins, didn't give much up got a prospect who could have value and doesn't take up a 40 man spot. Plus the best bullpen guys seem to be failed starters. Maybe he moves to the pen adds a couple ticks on his fastball and changes his game ala Perk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    But when he's on, he's 89-92 with the fastball, slider between 79-81 and a good change up. He was hurt some in 2013, so he could turn it around... Looks like the Braves moved him up too quickly.

    Bingo.
    Context:
    Now the Twins have 5 of the 1st and sup round picks of the 2011 draft, here are their names, highest level and season achieved, in order drafted:

    Alex Meyer - AA - 2013
    Sean Gilmartin - AAA - 2012
    Levi Michael - A+ 2012
    Travis Harrison - A - 2013
    Hudson Boyd - A - 2013

    The moved him super fast.

    And about the question on whether the Twins have scouted him: He played for parts of 2 seasons for the Gwinnett Braves of the International League (same AAA as the Red Wings) so they got first hand experience.

    His shoulder issues are tendinitis and nothing more serious, which hopefully bodes well...

    I see him as AAA (and maybe AA which is not a bad idea given the bad season) depth right now. Even if Diamond makes the Twins as a starter, you got Albers, Darnell and Johnson on the 40 man as LHP, and Pat Dean around as well. That can give you an all Lefty Rochester rotation

    Also this cements the opinion that Kubel was promised a major league job by the Twins (who now have the $ too) when he signed...
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    Fantastic deal and it makes up for signing Pelfrey!! I'm very glad this happened and Terry Ryan fleeced the Braves by not only getting a somewhat decent player, but unloading Doumit's overpaid contract.

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    So, the crazy part of all of this is that Braves message boards love this deal and believe Wren just fleeced the Twins by dumping Gilmartin's shoulder on them for anything of value.
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    Anything of value? Steamer has Doumit as a 0.0 WAR player, last year he was a 0.1 WAR guy. He provides zero defensive value period, and though I like him as a player, he is a terrible fit for an NL club at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggentleben View Post
    So, the crazy part of all of this is that Braves message boards love this deal and believe Wren just fleeced the Twins by dumping Gilmartin's shoulder on them for anything of value.
    The fans down there are not into pitch framing?

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    Here here:
    Mayo (or rather mlb.com, not sure it was Mayo) has already ranked Gilmartin as the Twins 13th best prospect.

    I would probably had him in the mid to high 20s someplace, because of the average fastball, low K rate and potential shoulder issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wise One View Post
    The fans down there are not into pitch framing?
    Not sure. I'm just familiar with the fans who I speak with, typically located in the north, even on those message boards I mentioned.

    Pitch framing is still tremendously inaccurate in measure. Not claiming that Doumit is good at it by any means, but there is a tendency to recite framing numbers in relation to catchers, which is akin to receiving defensive range numbers 10 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biggentleben View Post
    So, the crazy part of all of this is that Braves message boards love this deal and believe Wren just fleeced the Twins by dumping Gilmartin's shoulder on them for anything of value.
    MLBtraderumors seem to think its a win for the Twins. But whatever. Solid trade, helps both teams. And it's fair to both teams, which is probably why the Twins and Braves have traded together before. Both sides more or less trust the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggentleben View Post
    Pitch framing is still tremendously inaccurate in measure. Not claiming that Doumit is good at it by any means, but there is a tendency to recite framing numbers in relation to catchers, which is akin to receiving defensive range numbers 10 years ago.
    Agreed. What mostly bugs me about this measure is that it is not normalized by umpire. Because different umpires have different tendencies. Normalize it for that and then we can talk...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Penz View Post
    Any negativity on this is confusing. Out- 3.5 million dollars, redundancy at C/OF/DH, and a player who will not play any part in the future. In- a young LHP with at least a possibility of an upside.

    Also, I believe this moves the 40-man to 39.

    This is nothing but good.
    It does but that spot's going to go to Pelfry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggentleben View Post
    So, the crazy part of all of this is that Braves message boards love this deal and believe Wren just fleeced the Twins by dumping Gilmartin's shoulder on them for anything of value.
    I don't think that's crazy at all. Trades between equal partners are often about each party getting what IT needs (or getting rid of what it needs to get rid of in some cases).

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    Well, he is a guy they may have grabbed in the draft and now they have him, got rid of essentially a deadweight player and his contract, and didn't have to pay the bonus money. I say that is a win-win. I liked Doumit as a player, but really don't see him fitting into the 2014 Twins. He is far from the perfect DH. As a catcher, he has suffered.He needs to be more than a backup. He can't really play the field. I'm pleased with the trade and the potential Sean might bring to the rotation in 2015 or 2016 at a very reasonable price.

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    Exactly!--Refer to post #81. Gilmartin might get a chance to compete for a SP job, but I believe he will be developed with the expectation he will be a RP--LOOGY, or a disaster repair guy.

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    I like the trade quite a bit. There was no point in having Doumit around, and the Twins got someone of value, who won't be 24 until May.

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    Wonder how long Duensing will be around now. Seem to have a lot of young/cheap/similar lefties who could fill his LOOGY spot pretty easily. (Don't kid yourselves, that's all Duensing is, even if he's not necessarily used that way)
    Scouting Report: Tools - Power: 30, Hitting: 50, Arm: 60, Defense: 40, Speed: 40. "Line drive swing and shows good contact and on-base abilities. Double's power at his peak. Strong arm from 2B or the OF, stiff hands. Not a fast runner, but above average instincts on the bases. Skinny body doesn't look the part, but can sneak up on you. ACL surgery sapped much of his athleticism." (Probably)
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    As many have said here, Doumit should not be taking ABs away from prospects that can potentially be part of the future. He was pretty good in 2012 but it was time for him to go. It looks like they got a player with a floor of a LOOGY and a back of the rotation ceiling. I would consider it a win if he was a good LOOGY. Anymore than that is a bonus.

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