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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    fangpraphs predicted doumit would be awful, with foresight. So did others.
    Mike, is that the same Fangraphs which recently predicted our favorite team was positioning themselves to be a true powerhouse in the American League Central?

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    Quote Originally Posted by howieramone View Post
    Mike, is that the same Fangraphs which recently predicted our favorite team was positioning themselves to be a true powerhouse in the American League Central?
    Would it be too much to ask (yet again) for you to provide a link for your assertions? Fagngraphs is so cutting edge and up to date, they are still projecting Joe Mauer's 2014 value as a Catcher.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/projections...am=8&players=0
    Last edited by jokin; 12-17-2013 at 11:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howieramone View Post
    Mike, is that the same Fangraphs which recently predicted our favorite team was positioning themselves to be a true powerhouse in the American League Central?
    Apparently the articles are ahead of the projections http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2014-...nnesota-twins/ :

    " Minnesota doesn’t resemble anything much like a club that’ll find itself in playoff contention during the waning months of baseball’s regular season.

    That’s not to say it won’t affect Mauer’s production, personally. After receiving a projection of four-plus wins from ZiPS last winter and then actually outproducing that figure during 2013, the erstwhile backstop receives here a projection of fewer than three wins as a first baseman.
    Part of that is likely a product of whatever aging curve Dan Szymborski’s math computer utilizes. But a third part of it is due, also, to the positional adjustment for a first basemen relative to a catcher. Whether projected to record a 125 OPS+ (as he was last year) or 121 OPS+ (as with this one), that’s a less formidable number when it’s being produced by a first baseman.

    Phil Hughes and Ricky Nolasco, are also likely to be Minnesota’s two best starting pitchers in 2014. That it’s because they’re the only two starting pitchers likely to produce at something better than replacement level, however, probably isn’t what one might call an “indicator for great success.” "

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    Aren't there multiple writers on fangraphs? Couldn't that be why predictions/positions aren't always consistent?

    Even on TD, you find variations among the bloggers.

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    Mn is positioining themselves for the future, I don't disagree with that. Not sure I understand your point, actually. Not sure what that has to do with "no one but someone with hindsight on message boards" predicted Doumit would be bad.
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Moderator note. Let's tone it down a bit people. Please remain respectful of others. There is no need to stereotype people here.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB_Iowa View Post
    Aren't there multiple writers on fangraphs? Couldn't that be why predictions/positions aren't always consistent?

    Even on TD, you find variations among the bloggers.

    And that's the point, one rather perisistent poster puts a faux-blanket Fangraphs imprimatur on his own personal opinion without a citation, and despite prima facie evidence to the contrary. A discussion is far richer when multiple data points are on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    Mn is positioining themselves for the future, I don't disagree with that. Not sure I understand your point, actually. Not sure what that has to do with "no one but someone with hindsight on message boards" predicted Doumit would be bad.
    Because "hindsight" has become the latest attack buzzword for those who don't follow the new Twins orthodoxy. Why the need to attack? We can dissent from each other without trying to discredit and dismiss with meme generation.

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