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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    A 6. The more I look at the numbers, the more I like Nolasco. He approaches Garza performance for 50% less money and one less year. Smart signing.

    Pick up Kazmir and it becomes a 9. Pick up Pelfrey and Salty and it becomes an 8. Pick up Pelfrey and Navarro and it's a 7.

    I'm floored by how many people want the Twins to go out and drop $80m on Garza. That's bad baseball... In 2016-2017, the Twins would be paying three players in their mid-30s roughly $60m.

    That doesn't leave a lot of room to pay the kids and fill potential holes when this roster actually looks good.

    Get Nolasco this season, reevaluate need next offseason and act accordingly. Buying everybody in one offseason is a good way to hamstring yourself in 3-4 years.
    Garza made just over $10 million last year. MLBTradeRumors project him to get a 4 year $64 million contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    A 6. The more I look at the numbers, the more I like Nolasco. He approaches Garza performance for 50% less money and one less year. Smart signing.

    Pick up Kazmir and it becomes a 9. Pick up Pelfrey and Salty and it becomes an 8. Pick up Pelfrey and Navarro and it's a 7.

    I'm floored by how many people want the Twins to go out and drop $80m on Garza. That's bad baseball... In 2016-2017, the Twins would be paying three players in their mid-30s roughly $60m.

    That doesn't leave a lot of room to pay the kids and fill potential holes when this roster actually looks good.

    Get Nolasco this season, reevaluate need next offseason and act accordingly. Buying everybody in one offseason is a good way to hamstring yourself in 3-4 years.
    As long as we are grading on a 1-10 scale post, I would like to give this post a 12. As you have illustrated here, the process should be about building a sustainable winner. Most of the emphasis I see here is being as good as possible next year. Problem is that the first strategy generally impedes the second given the options available this year.

    Nolasco and Kazmir on a 3 year deal sounds ideal to me. Let's wee what we have in Gibson and Meyer this year. Next year's crop has several top of the rotation guys. If Gibson and Meyer live up to expectations, How good would 2015 look with Bailey (or equiv) / Meyer / Gibson / Nolasco / Kazmir look.

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    No. Pelrey would be that third pitcher the Twins could sign, anyone from Santana to bringing back Jason marquis or Ramon Ortiz. They need to sign one more VETERAN starter that is an innings eater, will keep the team in the game, and can possibly be a losing streak stopper. Correia is a good #3. I would like to see another name as insurance amidst the Hendriks, Diamond, Gibson, Deduno mess.

    Of course, I would love to see a second long-term name like Garza for five years. I can live with Correia leaving next season. Maybe signing Arroyo and having him available for trade the following season.

    I also want to see them sign a decent backstop for at least a year....someone better than a Blanco. A.J. IS my choice. I would also like to see a better veteran bat. At this point, I would tradeout Chris Pamelee for Garrett Jones as a bench/backup at first/outfield type of guy, even though Parmelee has shown promise, is probably on par with the aging Jones, but jsut for the change.

    I think the Twins are sitting pretty well with Correia and Doumit and Willingham as potential trade chips. They should also investigate moving Swarzak and/or Duensing (Colorado is looking for relief). Both can be repalced by Diamond or perhaps Hendriks or Worley.

    Worley. I want this guy to get some playing time just to see if they can get something for him. In the real world, I would shop Worley and Hermsen and Albers to the Phillies for the return of Ben Revere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
    Approaches Garza's performance? How? There's like half a run difference in ERA, after all.

    I am not one to look at one year (2013) and judge.

    I give it a 4 right now, since Nolasco is basically a 4th starter. A 3 if Pelfrey is signed. A 4 if Navarro is signed. A 6 if Salty is signed instead of Navarro. Kazmir = 7, Hughes = 6, Arroyo = 6 (all instead of Pelfrey).
    ERA? Really, Shane?

    Garza is a better pitcher than Nolasco. No one is disputing that... But Garza is probably going to demand Sanchez money... And he's no Sanchez.

    Last season, Nolasco and Garza were pretty much the same pitcher. Same K%, similar BB%, similar ERA+, xFiP, etc. Yeah, Nolasco is *probably* going to regress a bit while Garza had a typical season... But if two guys having almost an identical season isn't "approaching the same production", I don't know what is.

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