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    Dear Trevor Plouffe

    Dear Trevor,

    I've been hard on your defense... Defensive effort mainly... I've rarely seen you take a hit away with extra effort while manning the hot corner.

    Today you took one away and fair is fair. Just want to say I saw it and it was huge for your team.

    Runners on 2nd and 3rd... One Out... Your team (and mine) is down 3-0 and Pedro is needing the help big time. You are playing Up... hard grounder down the line and you dove to your right and took a hit away at that moment that would have plated two more runs.

    Without that play... The Twins may not have won today. Most likely wouldn't have won actually.

    Everybody loves Pinto right now for his clutch homer (it was awesome). The truth is... You helped Pinto be a hero by keeping the game close enough for him to become one.

    That's team baseball!!! Pinto is feeling great because of your effort and Pedro was pumped leaving the mound after your play and the play by Doumit helped him out. Plays like the one you made are how games are won and lost. Saving two runs from scoring is just as good as hitting a two run homer.

    I know I've been hard on you so I wanted to point out publicly that I see the good when it happens. You've had that ability all along... It was good to see.

    Nice Job!!! More please!!!
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    I am still intrigued by Plouffe. He goes through stretches where he looks like he finally gets it, and then goes through stretches where he looks like he doesn't belong in the major leagues. He made a nice play on Longoria and has made a couple other good plays. He's one of the few that are swinging well right now.

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    I've lost patience with a player in the organization since 2004, with almost 1200 PA's, whose never given any indication that he is a core player. I believe he will be one of the later casualties of the rebuilding process, and gone prior to opening day 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howieramone View Post
    I've lost patience with a player in the organization since 2004, with almost 1200 PA's, whose never given any indication that he is a core player. I believe he will be one of the later casualties of the rebuilding process, and gone prior to opening day 2015.
    Never given any indication? How about June-July of 2012 before his wrist injury?

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    Plouffe's OPS and wOBA are a few points above the median team OPS and wOBA from the thirdbase. His defense brings him down. If he has any growth left at the plate, he can be an average 3B.

    If not, he has enough bat against lefties to move to 1B or corner OF as a platoon player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jorgenswest View Post
    Plouffe's OPS and wOBA are a few points above the median team OPS and wOBA from the thirdbase. His defense brings him down. If he has any growth left at the plate, he can be an average 3B.

    If not, he has enough bat against lefties to move to 1B or corner OF as a platoon player.
    As you know we have a 3B on the way to Target Field, that Seth mentioned at one time, is a better fielder than Plouffe. To me it's too early to determine if we will need a right-handed bat coming off the bench. I'm hoping for a Butera type return when the time comes for him to be traded.

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    That was a routine play at 3rd, no kudoes earned.

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    On Grady's 1500 show yesterday he mentioned that Willingham came up to him post game on Sat. and said that he felt he needed to say something to a certain player or players. Gardy said yeah, you do (the question was about who is the leader in the clubhouse minus M&M). Could've been Plouffe. He seems like the laid-back surfer dude a little too much sometimes. Great athlete though. Hopefully the prospect of losing his job to Sano motivates him a bit more next year.

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    It took a long time for me to decide Plouffe wasn't part of the solution. It'll take me a while to rechange my mind.
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    I think we can conclude he isn't consistent enough to be a regular, but I still think he has value. He is cheap, has a ton of positional flexibility and has pop in his bat. He had 2 really really bad months at the plate, but had a .770 OPS after the first half and has hit pretty well in September. I'm not ready to just give up on that. Obviously 3b is not his long-term future, but that doesn't mean he should be traded or released. Guys like him are valuable to good teams. I hope everyone agrees with that.
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    He'd certainly get more in return than Valencia. Jeremias Pineda anyone?

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    I really dont get all the angst over Trevor Plouffe. I just dont.

    He is a cheap, averagish 3rd baseman. There are at least 10 spots on the 25 man roster that need addressed worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by BHtwins View Post
    I really dont get all the angst over Trevor Plouffe. I just dont.

    He is a cheap, averagish 3rd baseman. There are at least 10 spots on the 25 man roster that need addressed worse
    Twenty 3Bs have played enough to qualify for stats. He ranks 18th in OPS...and he's a bad defender as well. As far as his cost? As a fan, I care about quality of player not cost.
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    There are still at least 10 spots maybe 15 on the roster that are in worse shape than starting 3rd baseman.

    What about Plouffe just pisses everyone off?

    I still dont get it. So he is in the bottom 1/4 of 3rd baseman even...so what, the starting staff is much worse, the only position above that threshold is Catcher, SS and 2B. There are 4 relievers above replacement level. Like I said there are much bigger fish to fry yet Plouffe just gets cooked here almost daily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BHtwins View Post
    There are still at least 10 spots maybe 15 on the roster that are in worse shape than starting 3rd baseman.

    What about Plouffe just pisses everyone off?

    I still dont get it. So he is in the bottom 1/4 of 3rd baseman even...so what, the starting staff is much worse, the only position above that threshold is Catcher, SS and 2B. There are 4 relievers above replacement level. Like I said there are much bigger fish to fry yet Plouffe just gets cooked here almost daily.
    It is the fact how inconsistent he is. We want him to be one player and stay as one. Sometimes he can become invincible and hit homeruns with no problem and sometimes he struggles to bat over .220 in a month. His shoddy defense only adds to this frustration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BHtwins View Post
    There are still at least 10 spots maybe 15 on the roster that are in worse shape than starting 3rd baseman.

    What about Plouffe just pisses everyone off?

    I still dont get it. So he is in the bottom 1/4 of 3rd baseman even...so what, the starting staff is much worse, the only position above that threshold is Catcher, SS and 2B. There are 4 relievers above replacement level. Like I said there are much bigger fish to fry yet Plouffe just gets cooked here almost daily.
    Clete Thomas is who he is; so are the starters. You can chew on the GM for having them on the team, or the manager for playing them, but Clete isn't going to hit 35 home runs. He's not going to throw guys out very often. Correia isn't going to put up an ERA of 2.75. You want Pelfrey to better than he's been for the last 7 years? Dream on. Why chew on them for being, in the words of Dennis Green, who we thought they were?

    Plouffe is a high pick, and someone who has shown stretches of being a Very Good Player. But he's just crazily erratic, an All-Star for a month and a AA call-up for a month. Who is he, really? We don't know. That's frustrating.

    He doesn't seem to perform too well in clutch situations at the plate. Home runs are nice, but getting them with runners on once in a while would be even nicer. Instead, we seem to see an awful lot of pop-ups and called third strikes in those situations. He always seemed like he ought to be a better hitter than that. It's frustrating.

    He also has played with what seems to be a lack of passion. Gardy say his lack of hitting is eating him up- fine, but as Riverbrian said, he could still get his uniform dirty once in a while.

    That's why I'm fed up with Plouffe. He coulda been a contendah. He's not a bum, not yet, but he's on his way. And a good September doesn't change that for me. He could still help this team with his bat, but it has to show up more than one month every three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BHtwins View Post
    I really dont get all the angst over Trevor Plouffe. I just dont.

    He is a cheap, averagish 3rd baseman. There are at least 10 spots on the 25 man roster that need addressed worse
    Big Dog summed it up very nicely.

    Trevor is capable of so much more. I don't get worked up over Clete Thomas... Besides Clete doesn't coast out there. Trevor Plouffe needs to get dirty and help his team win... I don't get upset with poor metrics... Everybody slumps and If you are not hitting... There are still things you can do to help your team win.

    It's those other things that I fail to see Plouffe do and if he's not hitting he needs to do them.

    It ain't about numbers to me. Anyway... I appreciated his getting dirty yesterday and the play he made getting dirty helped the team win... Clearly helped the team win... I just wanted to say... Alright... That's how you do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big dog View Post
    That's why I'm fed up with Plouffe. He coulda been a contendah. He's not a bum, not yet, but he's on his way. And a good September doesn't change that for me. He could still help this team with his bat, but it has to show up more than one month every three.
    Nope. How about 3 months out of 6? Plouffe's slash for his 3 good months in 2013:

    May .292/.365/.477/.842
    June .321/.351/.528/.879
    Sep. .368/.383/.509/.892


    It seems to me, that a good strategy might be for his manager and hitting coach to watch Plouffe's tendencies when he just starts to slump and then cut back or limit his ABs against RHP until he makes his corrections. As stated before, his split against lefties is All Star caliber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    Nope. How about 3 months out of 6? Plouffe's slash for his 3 good months in 2013:

    May .292/.365/.477/.842
    June .321/.351/.528/.879
    Sep. .368/.383/.509/.892
    Nope, back at ya.

    Plouffe's "good 3 months" were quite a bit less than that, at least if you look at games played. He played 3 weeks in May, 2 weeks in June, and 2 weeks so far in Sept. So I'll take April, July, and August. That's 13 weeks. 7 good weeks out of 20 is pretty close to 1 out of 3, whether the unit is months or weeks.

    When he's hot, he's hot. And when he's not...
    April .217/.304/.377/.681
    July .189/.223/.300/.523
    August .196/.264/.330/.594

    July and August are not a slump. They are a disaster.

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