09-16-2013, 06:54 PM #21
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When Plouffe comes to bat, do you hope? do you pay close attention ? I don't. Paying close attention means to be usually disappointed. If he does something good, fine, but I don't expect it or anticipate it or hope for it. He is ranked 30th of all the 3rd basemen in the Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Leagues. He is a place holder until Sano gets here. Plouffe is a player I would rather not think about.
09-16-2013, 07:38 PM #22
09-16-2013, 08:27 PM #23
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Even if this supposed lack of hustle exists (which I dont really buy btw) so what? This is a team that started the false hustle of Nick Punto for huge swaths of time and endured Danny Valencia. Id say Plouffe is a refreshing change. He actually looks like a major league capable hitter in the box most of the time.
As far as unrewarded promise...thats largely a load of BS too. He was never a very highly touted prospect while coming up. He was a high draft pick yes....but a pick that was questionable and widely criticized. He turned out better than I thought he would 4 years ago.
So he sucks...but his level of suckitude isnt even in the top half of general roster suckiness.
I'm more pissed about the multimillion dollar back-up catcher that cant catch and hasnt hit either and the multi-million dollar outfielder that is hitting .210 and cant really field either.
09-16-2013, 09:22 PM #24
He was a high draft pick yes....but a pick that was questionable and widely criticized. He turned out better than I thought he would 4 years ago.
Your entire premise is flawed. Just because there is a lot going wrong doesn't minimize that he's one of the parts going wrong. No one is claiming Plouffe sunk the 2013 season. No one is making him the "Most Wanted" criminal for dashing our hopes. No one is saying our Albert Pujols in the making went David McCarthy.
People are just irked that this guy that tantalized them with hope now infuriates them with every inept play and at-bat. It's perfectly justifiable.
09-16-2013, 09:45 PM #25
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No matter how many paragraphs you write....there is absolutely no objective reason for all the angst.
Like so many threads and discussions here...its a lost cause because too many people write about feelings not actual results. Something about Plouffe besides his results pisses people off and I just flat dont get it. I' say similar things on JJ Hardy as well. There was a lot of inbred angst about his supposed lack of caring whilst he was here as well.
Plouffe aint the problem, has never really been the problem, has performed pretty much exactly how you would expect a limited talent toolsy high school shortstop would if not perhaps better. He was never a particularly great prospect. He graduated the Appy with a .719 OPS and that was his high point until repeating AA. He wasnt on any BA list coming up. If you took a poll of people who actually know what their talking about 5 years ago and you'd have a hard time finding a majority that would have thought he would contribute at all.
09-16-2013, 09:46 PM #26
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All of this is the randomness of small sample size. It takes nearly a full season for OPS to stabilize. The wider variation that Plouffe has shown in monthly splits isn't meaningful. He isn't as good as his best monthly split or as poor as his worst.
Taking as whole you get a guy who hits a little above the median team production for 3Bs while fielding poorly. At his age, both can get a little better and rank in the middle of third basemen.
09-16-2013, 10:48 PM #27
As to what I quoted - there is no "objective" reason for anyone to feel anything about Plouffe. You included. There is no magic formula that objectively proves an opinion and that insinuation, I think, is part of why you are (as you said) confused by this.
09-17-2013, 12:45 AM #28
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Yes, Plouffe had an awful July, but consider these numbers for July:
Manny Machado: .196/.226/.314 (ranked #4 in WAR @ 3B)
Evan Longoria: .194/.288/.347 (ranked #3 in WAR @ 3B)
Kyle Seager: .194/.303/.340 (ranked #7 in WAR @ 3B)
Todd Frazier: .180/.247/.337 (ranked #8 in WAR @ 3B)
The above 4 counter-examples show that even the best in the game have disastrous months. Plouffe isn't one of the best in the game and close monitoring and intervention is necessary to both maximize his value and prevent him from hurting the team when he's clearly struggling. I suggested previously what a more creative team might do with him, accentuate what he is very good at (kills lefties/can possibly move into a super-utility role), and minimize and tweak in the areas where he has a history of struggling mightily- ie, tough RHPs and prolonged slumps being two of his major weaknesses (Danny Valencia has earned himself strong consideration for continuing his specialist role with the Orioles in 2014, what with his .1063 OPS against lefties this year, for his career, Valencia's slash against lefties is strikingly similar to Plouffe's, with a .517 SLG and .884 OPS, compared to Plouffe: .505 SLG and .856 OPS).
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