09-16-2013, 04:22 PM #41
- Liked 39 Times in 29 Posts
09-16-2013, 05:13 PM #42
- Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
The front office blew it, and it didn't take a crystal ball to see it coming.
09-16-2013, 05:19 PM #43
- Liked 9 Times in 8 Posts
Morneau was called up in June. Had a 115 PAs of .665 OPS before having success the following season.
Cuddyer was a Sept. callup and had just 20 PAs where he struggled. The following season .740 OPS in around 100 PAs and posted just under 100 OPS+ for the next few seasons in limited ABs before really coming into his own.
Hunter made it 20 PAs in April 1998 of OPS+ of 60. He struggled his first two seasons with OPS+ of 73 and 80 before taking off.
Sure all of them struggled in their first appearance and were even below average for a couple hundered at-bats, but none of them were as historically awful or as bad for as long as Hicks was. (OPS+ of 63 and a sub .600 OPS).
Gibson and Arcia weren't thrust into the starting lineup day and both spent time at AAA. Gibson's stint was incredibly short, 10 games. Arcia has actually been one of the better hitters on the team.
Honestly, there's no comparison between any of these players and what the front office expected from and thrust Hicks into. They are absolutely blunders both for the team and him: calling him up when he wasn't even close, leading him off, not getting a major league player who could handle the position, and keeping him up for so long.
If even these, so clearly mistakes by the FO (remember they said he was READY and put him in the leadoff spot), aren't recognized as such, I really don't see the point of continuing this discussion. I mean, I recognize that there might have been reason to support the FO to start -- that I think is a tenable position even if I disagree with it, but based on the results I don't understand how the move can be defended as the right one.
Last edited by Alex; 09-16-2013 at 05:26 PM.
09-16-2013, 05:38 PM #44
- Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Morneau: Full season of AA bookended by shorter stints there. 300 PA's in AAA.
Hunter: Most of 2 seasons in AA, 17 premature MLB at bats, followed by time in AAA and AA.
Cuddyer: Two seasons and >1000 PA's in AA, 18 Sept. callup AB's in the majors. Half a season in AAA before he sniffed the bigs again.
So none of them really skipped AAA. And none of them regularly exceeded a K rate of 20% throughout the minors like Hicks.
It's usually a pretty bad idea to ask a ballplayer to keep doing something he can't do. And that's what the Twins were doing by letting Hicks continue to flail against major league pitching, for three months after it was clear he wasn't ready.
Last edited by LaBombo; 09-16-2013 at 05:41 PM.
09-16-2013, 06:36 PM #45
- Liked 140 Times in 100 Posts