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    Twins versus Rays -- Analytical game thread

    As an experiment, we are adding this additional game thread for the series against the Rays. The purpose of this thread is for serious/substantive discussion about the game, with less frivolity and off-topic discussion than in the main game thread.

    Users are encouraged to post in either thread or both threads as you wish.

    This is an experiment and may or may not continue depending on how it goes.

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    Is witty banter permitted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    Is witty banter permitted?
    This is an experiment so I am not sure. My sense is that it should be OK so long as it is related to the game, but I am hoping that the users of this thread can work this out as it goes along.

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    Yay, baseball!

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    Is there a way to convert baseball metrics into feet and inches? It's so confusing!
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    We might need to make the other thread the analytical one.

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    Serious, substantive analysis of the Twins?


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    Where's the thread to take our minds off Kevin Correia pitching tonight...................and next year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinsnorth49 View Post
    Serious, substantive analysis of the Twins?
    If it makes you feel better we can discuss all the good things the Rays do instead.

    Then cry a little on the inside.

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    I'm ready:
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    Quote Originally Posted by snepp View Post
    If it makes you feel better we can discuss all the good things the Rays do instead.

    Then cry a little on the inside.
    I resemble that remark. (sniff-sniff)

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    Why have the Rays "owned" the Twins? I would put Tampa in a list with the Yankees, Toronto, and (this year) Kansas City. The easy answer would be good pitching, but Toronto really doesn't fit that benchmark. My recollection over the last few years is that Tampa either dominates with pitching or else wins a close one with late game "clutchness".

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    How rare is the two out RBI single for the Twins? How about for their opponents? In a nutshell, this seems to be the difference between the Twins and the teams they are playing.

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    I was trying to find it.

    I would guess they hit poorly in every situation. With some very poor hitters in the line up it must be easy to pitch around better hitters. Those hitters either take a walk or try to be aggressive and swing at a pitch difficult to hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
    How rare is the two out RBI single for the Twins? How about for their opponents? In a nutshell, this seems to be the difference between the Twins and the teams they are playing.
    Better players tend to do better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
    How rare is the two out RBI single for the Twins? How about for their opponents? In a nutshell, this seems to be the difference between the Twins and the teams they are playing.
    It's certainly not good. A quickie glance at their batting splits isn't pretty.

    .221 .319 .322 .641

    That's the offense's line with 2 out and RISP, about 20 points of BA and 70 points of OPS below AL average.

    The pitching side of this same stat is, to put it mildly, putrid.

    .268 .352 .434 .786

    That's 30 points of BA and 70 points of OPS higher than AL average.

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    Put the two lines together (go South Dakota math!), and you've got the opponents hitting nearly 50 points higher, and nearly 150 points of OPS better, in that situation.

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    Ok, Gardy, you've made your point. A .240 hitter is the best you've got so he's hitting third. Well, it isn't really happening for Dozier in the #3 hole, so get him out of there.

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    Dozier certainly saw better pitches with Mauer behind him. Not much in this line up to protect anyone.

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    I think this is potentially a great idea, but I think it will be hard to get this going as we're a losing club right now. I know, I'll check in both threads to see what everyone has to say.

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