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    Article: Twins Minor League Report (9/8): Red Wings Season Ends (6 players recalled)


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    So many questions.

    So.....they've already counted out Deduno to start out the season in the rotation in 2014?

    Re:Ramirez...how many guys get 60-dayed twice in the same season?

    How does Martis (definition of mediocre journeyman) get added to the 40-man over Ibarra?

    No more Mauer at catcher this year, now that Fryer is called up, even though there aren't enough ABs for the catchers we already have up, why Fryer?

    6-man rotation from here on in with both Diamond and DeVries back up?

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    Picture DeVries out of the bullpen.

    Yes, why Eric Fryer (shades of Rene Rivera getting mad when he wasn't called up, Herrmann was, last year).

    Why not Beresford.

    The only redeeming grace is hat guys added to the 40-man before the end of the season can be removed. Those added when rosters are set later in November can't be removed until after spring training, I believe.

    But nothing excited here. Why Martis, for example. I would've added situational lefty Thompson.

    Yes, the old days used to add journeymen at season's end if you were a team like The Senators so guys could get some pension qualifications and such, or maybe a minute showcase. But at this stage of the game, if they aren't going to benefit the Twins in 2014 or beyond, why do this.

    Be interesting to see if Deduno is like Oliveros, and get's designated after season's end and resigns with the Twins.

    Hey, we saw the Rd Wings play in Minnesota this year!
    Pitchers: Albers, DeVries, Deduno, Diamond, Gibson, Hendriks, hernandez, Thielbar, Tonkin, Worley, Robertson.
    Cathers: Herrmann, Butera, Fryer, Pinto.
    Infielders: Parmelee, Colabello, Escobar, Bernier.
    Outfielders: Hicks, Arcia, Ramirez, Thomas, Mastroianni.,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    So many questions.

    So.....they've already counted out Deduno to start out the season in the rotation in 2014?

    Re:Ramirez...how many guys get 60-dayed twice in the same season?

    How does Martis (definition of mediocre journeyman) get added to the 40-man over Ibarra?

    No more Mauer at catcher this year, now that Fryer is called up, even though there aren't enough ABs for the catchers we already have up, why Fryer?

    6-man rotation from here on in with both Diamond and DeVries back up?
    Being put on the 60 Day DL has nothing to do with 2014. Players have to come off of the 60 Day DL before the 40 man rosters are set at the end of November. Most likely Fryer and Martis will be removed from the 40 man roster following the season. (not Most Likely, it's what will happen) Deduno will come off of the 60 Day DL after the season. So will Wilkin (though they may DFA him too).

    I'm completely on board with Mauer not catching any more this year, so I'm fine with Fryer getting a few at bats, backing up Herrmann and Pinto. They already said that Doumit likely won't catch the rest of the year either.

    I'm sure they'll do a 6-man rotation. They should.

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    Do they platoon Parmelee and Colabello? The must have a plan for him by calling him up. I know the sample and data is to small to have meaning. They must have assessed that Parmelee has made some adjustments.

    Doumit not catching they rest of the year. I hope that will continue into next year.

    Why 6 man rotation? Why start Pelfrey? He only auditions for free agency. The Twins must have assessed by now whether the would like to resign him.

    How much time will they give Escobar at SS? Is it a given the Florimon should be the starter?

    Hicks not recalled. I don't think it decreases the likelihood that he will start in the majors next year. Time off from a challenging year may help.

    More arms in the pen. They might look to shutting down Burton. They need him to be better next year. They unnecessarily extended him last spring. He was under control for this year before the extension. Is he still worth 3.25 and 3.6 team option for 2014-2015?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosterman View Post
    Yes, why Eric Fryer (shades of Rene Rivera getting mad when he wasn't called up, Herrmann was, last year).

    Why not Beresford.

    The only redeeming grace is hat guys added to the 40-man before the end of the season can be removed. Those added when rosters are set later in November can't be removed until after spring training, I believe.

    But nothing excited here. Why Martis, for example. I would've added situational lefty Thompson.

    Yes, the old days used to add journeymen at season's end if you were a team like The Senators so guys could get some pension qualifications and such, or maybe a minute showcase. But at this stage of the game, if they aren't going to benefit the Twins in 2014 or beyond, why do this.

    Be interesting to see if Deduno is like Oliveros, and get's designated after season's end and resigns with the Twins.
    I can't imagine that the Fryer situation is anything like the Rene Rivera situation.

    I would love to see Beresford get a chance, but Florimon and Dozier are going to play most days, and Bernier and Escobar will play other times. Escobar will likely get a handful of starts at 3B too. Beresford played very well for the Red Wings this year, but can't call up everyone.

    Lots of guys from this 40 man roster will likely be removed, including Martis and Fryer. You're right, guys added in November can't be removed until sometime in spring training.

    Thompson had a nice year, but again, the Twins have Perkins, Duensing and Thielbar, and plenty of other lefties.

    As for Deduno, I think that at this point, they would lose him if he was removed from the 40 man. They took a calculated risk last year with him and won. Oliveros had Tommy John, Deduno may have some shoulder stuff done. Very different. I'd be shocked if Deduno was DFAd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosterman View Post
    Is Gene Glynn being added to the coaching staff for the rest of September, by chance?
    Yes, they mentioned that on Saturday night's telecast. Normally just one coach/manager from the minors comes up for September. The Twins will have Tommy Watkins and Gene Glynn.

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    Now what? Twins minor league season is over. Nothing left, only MLB Twins. And that is not much to follow. Kind of sad. In a lot of ways.

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    I am surprised they recalled so many guys. I guess you can't have too many catchers, but five? I know, I know, Mauer and Doumit won't catch much or at all the rest of the year. Martis? He was finishing games for the Red Wings, but with one of De Vries, Hernandez, and Diamond going to the bullpen (my pick is Hernandez), there's really no need to add anyone else besides Tonkin. Parmelee didn't hit much in Rochester and didn't start the last two playoff games. While he wasn't the biggest failure on the Twins this year, it looks to me like he blew his last clear opportunity--things happen and if you hang around you might get another shot--but I just don't think the Twins will clear a spot for him again. The Twins probably won't admit it, but Escobar will be under team control for another year--I'm sure that factored into their decision to send him down and keep him down. I have said this before and I'll keep saying it--I can't get excited to see players so lacking in power that outfields cheat in like the hitter is a Little Leaguer and Beresford fits that mold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Twins Cap View Post
    Now what? Twins minor league season is over. Nothing left, only MLB Twins. And that is not much to follow. Kind of sad. In a lot of ways.
    See Rosterman's post above. 24 guys have played both for the Wings and the "MLB" Twins this year. So now we get the best (worst?) of both worlds for the next 3 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
    I am surprised they recalled so many guys. I guess you can't have too many catchers, but five? I know, I know, Mauer and Doumit won't catch much or at all the rest of the year. Martis? He was finishing games for the Red Wings, but with one of De Vries, Hernandez, and Diamond going to the bullpen (my pick is Hernandez), there's really no need to add anyone else besides Tonkin. Parmelee didn't hit much in Rochester and didn't start the last two playoff games. While he wasn't the biggest failure on the Twins this year, it looks to me like he blew his last clear opportunity--things happen and if you hang around you might get another shot--but I just don't think the Twins will clear a spot for him again. The Twins probably won't admit it, but Escobar will be under team control for another year--I'm sure that factored into their decision to send him down and keep him down. I have said this before and I'll keep saying it--I can't get excited to see players so lacking in power that outfields cheat in like the hitter is a Little Leaguer and Beresford fits that mold.
    A rebuilding team: still giving out "Service" awards (Fryer and Martis, for sure). But only two "Meritorious Service" awards in 7 recalls (Escobar and Tonkin). Along with 3 "Hope for the Best, Here's One Last Chance" awards (DeVries, Diamond and Parmelee).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosterman View Post
    Picture DeVries out of the bullpen.

    Yes, why Eric Fryer (shades of Rene Rivera getting mad when he wasn't called up, Herrmann was, last year).

    Why not Beresford.

    The only redeeming grace is hat guys added to the 40-man before the end of the season can be removed. Those added when rosters are set later in November can't be removed until after spring training, I believe.

    But nothing excited here. Why Martis, for example. I would've added situational lefty Thompson.

    Yes, the old days used to add journeymen at season's end if you were a team like The Senators so guys could get some pension qualifications and such, or maybe a minute showcase. But at this stage of the game, if they aren't going to benefit the Twins in 2014 or beyond, why do this.

    Be interesting to see if Deduno is like Oliveros, and get's designated after season's end and resigns with the Twins.

    Hey, we saw the Rd Wings play in Minnesota this year!
    Pitchers: Albers, DeVries, Deduno, Diamond, Gibson, Hendriks, hernandez, Thielbar, Tonkin, Worley, Robertson.
    Cathers: Herrmann, Butera, Fryer, Pinto.
    Infielders: Parmelee, Colabello, Escobar, Bernier.
    Outfielders: Hicks, Arcia, Ramirez, Thomas, Mastroianni.,
    It was rehab, but I think Plouffe played a couple games with the Red Wings.

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    Definitely some interesting names. I wouldn't get too worried about the guys being put on the 40 man that don't belong. No one was DFAd for this, so think of it as a really nice bonus for some hard work. These guys will get DFAd in short notice, so let them enjoy their cups of coffee and have a story they can tell their kids some day.

    Hicks will NOT be in Minnesota next year. His lack of a callup should make that clear. CF next season will belong to Presley unless Hicks forces the issue. I'm fine with that, as I'd like the Twins to give Presley a full year to see what he can do. If he can figure things out, worst case is that you can trade him to make room for Hicks. If he doesn't, he becomes the 4th OF of the future when Hicks is ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diehardtwinsfan View Post
    Hicks will NOT be in Minnesota next year. His lack of a callup should make that clear. CF next season will belong to Presley unless Hicks forces the issue. I'm fine with that, as I'd like the Twins to give Presley a full year to see what he can do. If he can figure things out, worst case is that you can trade him to make room for Hicks. If he doesn't, he becomes the 4th OF of the future when Hicks is ready.
    More confirmation from today's Strib: http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/222837481.html


    ........the Twins try to find work for other prospects if they are interested. Sometimes they suggest to a player that winter ball will benefit them.

    The word is that the Twins would like to have outfielder Aaron Hicks play winter ball this offseason, and they have a spot lined up for him in Puerto Rico if he wants it. There are no indications that Hicks will play. Hicks was the Opening Day center fielder but was sent to Rochester after batting .192 in 81 games.
    Confirms Hicks' quotes from what he hinted at in his recent interview. The long-term implications of this decision definitely point to him starting 2014 in Rochester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    A rebuilding team: still giving out "Service" awards (Fryer and Martis, for sure). But only two "Meritorious Service" awards in 7 recalls (Escobar and Tonkin). Along with 3 "Hope for the Best, Here's One Last Chance" awards (DeVries, Diamond and Parmelee).
    I'd quibble with your designation of Diamond--he was 5-0 with a low 2 ERA, I think he earned his recall. De Vries earned a spot in the rotation this spring and after rehabbing, he has pitched very well. I'm hardly a fan, but De Vries was pretty effective last year and as stated, has pitched very well since his rehab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diehardtwinsfan View Post

    Hicks will NOT be in Minnesota next year. His lack of a callup should make that clear. CF next season will belong to Presley unless Hicks forces the issue. I'm fine with that, as I'd like the Twins to give Presley a full year to see what he can do. If he can figure things out, worst case is that you can trade him to make room for Hicks. If he doesn't, he becomes the 4th OF of the future when Hicks is ready.
    I would say it is a long shot that Hicks will start 2014 with the Twins, winter ball or not. He will need to make his case for recall from Rochester. If he earns a recall, Presley fits nicely as a fourth outfielder and perhaps partial platoon partner for Hicks. Hicks is much younger and has a bunch more upside than Presley, but Presley is a far better placeholder than Clete Thomas.

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    No Romero for September. I'm a little surprised. Even though I've stated before that I don't expect him to produce much as a major leaguer, I thought they might give him a look just on general principles, especially with Plouffe having left the door ajar for a competitor to take his job at third.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
    No Romero for September. I'm a little surprised. Even though I've stated before that I don't expect him to produce much as a major leaguer, I thought they might give him a look just on general principles, especially with Plouffe having left the door ajar for a competitor to take his job at third.
    I would call Romero's numbers middling at best. Glynn used him as a DH in the playoff games, so I doubt his defense is anything special. I think it is fair to give Plouffe the month of September to finish on a high note and perhaps make himself more tradable or make some money through arbitration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
    I'd quibble with your designation of Diamond--he was 5-0 with a low 2 ERA, I think he earned his recall. De Vries earned a spot in the rotation this spring and after rehabbing, he has pitched very well. I'm hardly a fan, but De Vries was pretty effective last year and as stated, has pitched very well since his rehab.
    Cole DeVries 2013 AAA numbers: ERA 7.20/K*9 4.32/OBA .345/WHIP 1.80

    Diamond has earned his recall, I agree with you on that one. But at the MLB level, he still pitched down to many of our regression expectations; and at this point, it's still essentially a crapshoot for whether he's destined to rebound in 2014 to something close to his 2012 numbers, or conversely, if he's on the Blackburn track (without the fat contract).

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