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    Who do you want to see replace Baker?

    According the presser, it sounds like the Twins will go forward with either Liam Hendriks or Anthony Swarzak as internal options. Likely no moves to be made from outside of the organization. Nevertheless, who would you replace Baker with going forward this season? Stay put or spend money or prospects on bringing someone in?

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    Hendriks is the right choice, as soon as he's able. Marquis will be up soon and Swarzak can go back to the 'pen.

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    Who do I want to replace Scott Baker: Kevin Slowey
    Who will replace Scott Baker: Liam Hendriks and/or Anthony Swarzak
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    I know Diamond in starting in AAA, but who else is in the rotation down there? I'm just wondering about additional depth.

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    Actually the right choice was never to sign Jason Marquis since Swarzak is essentially the cheaper equivalent. I understand TR's need for depth, but Marquis was a decent signing. I hate to see him starting over Swarzak though. I feel Anthony deserves a shot.

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    Marquis is a batting practice pitcher that should be released. Slowey is 100% better than Marquis but our clueless gm values nice guys because they get along with gardy. Bring up guys from our poor minor league system to get the innings since they will lose 110 games regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabecka View Post
    Actually the right choice was never to sign Jason Marquis since Swarzak is essentially the cheaper equivalent. I understand TR's need for depth, but Marquis was a decent signing. I hate to see him starting over Swarzak though. I feel Anthony deserves a shot.
    I think the idea was Marquis is a relatively cheap starter that puts in a lot of innings and creates a ton of ground balls. I think TR was trying to save some bullpen arms that way.

    I think this is Hendricks' time to prove he's ready. Hopefully, he has a great year.
    You can come up with statistics to prove anything. Forty percent of all people know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
    I know Diamond in starting in AAA, but who else is in the rotation down there? I'm just wondering about additional depth.
    PJ Walters
    Sam Deduno
    Cole DeVries
    Darryl Tompson

    Maybe PJ Walters but I do not see any of the others. I do like Deduno & DeVriesbut not as starters
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    Likely: Scott Diamond, Jeff Manship, Anthony Swarzak


    IT SUCKS because Swarzak could of been our BEST bullpen option outside of Perk.

    Unlikely: Alex Wimmers, Dave Bromberg, Bobby Lanigan

    Even more Unlikely: Roy Oswalt
    Top Twins prospects ? 1.Byron Buxton (OF-A+)
    2.Miguel Sano (3B-AA) 3.Alex Meyer (SP-AA) 4. Kohl Stewart (SP-RK) 5. Nick Gordon (SS-RK) 6. J.O. Berrios (P-A) 7. Josmil Pinto (C-AAA) 8. Eddie Rosario (2B-AA) 9. L. Thorpe (SP-RK) 10. Travis Harrison (3B-A) 11.Kennys Vargas (1B-A+) 12. Trevor May (SP-AA) 13. Jorge Polanco (2B-A) 14. Max Kepler (OF-A) 15. Miguel Sulbaran (SP-A) Just Missed:P Zach Jones, SS Aderlin Mejia, P Stephen Gonsalves, C Stuart Turner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
    I know Diamond in starting in AAA, but who else is in the rotation down there? I'm just wondering about additional depth.
    The rest of the AAA rotation is pretty weak. Diamond I imagine would be the next up. Though it will be Hendriks/Marquis for the time being I imagine. Diamond, Swarzak and Duesing in case things get even worse
    Last edited by VodkaDave; 04-11-2012 at 05:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shs_59 View Post
    Likely: Scott Diamond, Jeff Manship, Anthony Swarzak


    IT SUCKS because Swarzak could of been our BEST bullpen option outside of Perk.

    Unlikely: Alex Wimmers, Dave Bromberg, Bobby Lanigan

    Even more Unlikely: Roy Oswalt
    Swarzak still will have the opp to be a bullpen guy.

    Current rotation within a week will be: Liriano, Pavano, Blackburn, Hendriks, Marquis
    Ouch. If Liriano coming back to form wasn't important before, it certainly is now, he is now the only guy in the rotation who has even the slightest potential to be better then a #3.

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    Yes. Poor Slowey. He's just misunderstood.

    I want to like Swarzak, I really do. But the numbers just aren't there. Not in the majors as a starter (5.22 ERA) or even in the minors (5.5 K/9 in AAA). I'm not crazy about Hendriks, just because I really think they're rushing him. But he's my choice, outside of going and getting another starter.

    Any other free agents out there besides Oswalt?

    - Justin Duchsererer? His name would fit right in, spelling wise.
    - Jon Garland?
    - Scott Kazmir?
    - Carlos Silva?

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    Lefties

    Three lefties in the pen is one more than we need. How about asking the three of them who might like to start?
    What does a team planning to lose 100 games need three lefty relievers to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
    Yes. Poor Slowey. He's just misunderstood.

    I want to like Swarzak, I really do. But the numbers just aren't there. Not in the majors as a starter (5.22 ERA) or even in the minors (5.5 K/9 in AAA). I'm not crazy about Hendriks, just because I really think they're rushing him. But he's my choice, outside of going and getting another starter.

    Any other free agents out there besides Oswalt?

    - Justin Duchsererer? His name would fit right in, spelling wise.
    - Jon Garland?
    - Scott Kazmir?
    - Carlos Silva?
    Lannahan could prob be had somewhat cheaply in a trade, but he isn't anything special.

    I wouldn't mind them going after a guy like Cecil, Drabek or Cobb if the cost isn't a whole lot. Get a guy that actually has some potential upside who could stick in the rotation for more than a year.

    None of the free agents interest me besides Oswalt, and unless the Twins jet into first place he won't be coming here anytime soon. Also, I agree on Slowey, people need to stop acting like the Twins made some massive mistake by trading him. Colorado loved him so much that they traded him to Cleveland for next to nothing, and Cleveland loved him so much they immediately shipped him to AAA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwinsFanLV View Post
    Three lefties in the pen is one more than we need. How about asking the three of them who might like to start?
    What does a team planning to lose 100 games need three lefty relievers to do?
    Perkins- No, he needs to continue to build off his success in the pen. He is the set up guy anyways and isn't used like a typical LOOGY.
    Duensing- Has already gotten plenty of starts, has pretty poor splits and has a lot more value in the pen.
    Maloney- Meh, pretty mediocre, I'd rather see about 10 Twins prospects ahead of him (Diamond, Hendriks, Swarzak, etc)

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    Swarzak doesn't have overpowering stuff, but he does have a great bulldog attitude. Key to his success will be developing precision, being able to pick corners, vary his speed, etc. In other words, he needs to become a clever bulldog with good aim.

    Hendriks takes Baker's spot, but Swarzak may contend for it if Hendriks falters. Of the two, Hendriks appears to have more talent, but Swarzak has the bulldog attitude. Reminds me a little of Blackburn that way. Who in the minors could step up? No idea, but I'd love to see David Bromberg succeed this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VodkaDave View Post
    Duensing- Has already gotten plenty of starts, has pretty poor splits and has a lot more value in the pen.
    I think Brian Duensing is a better pitcher than people realize. A lot of young pitchers have up-and-down seasons when they first emerge from the minors, then later stabilize into consistent performers. I think Duensing is about ready to show that he can do the job consistently, as a reliever or a starter. At the moment, I'd still rather see him in the bull pen because he's very effective, but if needed he could step in and spot start as well as Swarzak, or better.

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    You throw Hendriks to the fire and cross your fingers that he can handle it. If he proves he's not ready, you give Swarzak then Diamond shots to prove themselves. Swarzak and Diamond are really at the sink or swim point in their careers as potential starters. They'll likely sink, but unlike almost anyone else in AAA or in the Twins' pen, they at least have a chance to swim. I'd let them ride out the rest of the season to see if at least one of the two can figure it out. It's not like we have a lot to lose.

    As VodkaDave pointed out above, Perkins and Duensing need to stay in the pen. They're very good options there. Their roles are set. Don't mess with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo92107 View Post
    I think Brian Duensing is a better pitcher than people realize. A lot of young pitchers have up-and-down seasons when they first emerge from the minors, then later stabilize into consistent performers. I think Duensing is about ready to show that he can do the job consistently, as a reliever or a starter. At the moment, I'd still rather see him in the bull pen because he's very effective, but if needed he could step in and spot start as well as Swarzak, or better.
    I'm not down on him, and he is one of my more favorite pitchers, but the fact is he gets hit pretty hard by righties. Teams figured this out and eventually started stacking lineups against him which is why he ended up with a lackluster 5.23 ERA last year. He is a pretty effective LOOGY and a replacement level starter. Why not maximize his value and keep him in the pen?

    .300 /.358 /.476 /.834 are what righties hit off him in his career. I agree he is ok for a spot start here and there if needed, but his true value is in the pen against lefties who have a
    203 .247 .263 .510
    line off him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
    Yes. Poor Slowey. He's just misunderstood.

    I want to like Swarzak, I really do. But the numbers just aren't there. Not in the majors as a starter (5.22 ERA) or even in the minors (5.5 K/9 in AAA). I'm not crazy about Hendriks, just because I really think they're rushing him. But he's my choice, outside of going and getting another starter.

    Any other free agents out there besides Oswalt?

    - Justin Duchsererer? His name would fit right in, spelling wise.
    - Jon Garland?
    - Scott Kazmir?
    - Carlos Silva?
    You forgot Livan Hernandez.

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