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    Article: Thoughts And Players to Watch


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    ok seriously, we need to stop thinking that having a 3rd catcher is normal.... especially when looking at guys like Herrman who don't exactly hit well either.

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    Morneau's power will come around. Parm has had the second half of last year, and the first half of this year to support a .300 OBP. Morneau's OBP, over the same time, is almost forty points higher. I say sign Morneau for two or three years, to support a team with veteran leadership, while other corner outfielders and 1st base prospects mature. Morneau is a superior ballplayer, he is a team leader, and the Twins can afford him. Parm has peaked. He's just not that good.

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    Why would they pay Morneau $10-13MM a year, for being worse than the median 1B? They could use that money on a pitcher/SS/whatever instead......

    Put Plouffe at 1B when Sano comes up, before that, who cares? They don't look much better next year than this year, unless Sano/Rosario skip AAA. Otherwise, it looks like the same team as this year. There is no OF/1B/DH/C ready to come up next year, is there? Mauer will play half of his games at 1B in the coming years, platoon him with Plouffe, with Mauer catching and DHing, with Plouffe DHing when Mauer plays 1B.

    The future (like 2 years out) is not that hard to imagine w/o Morneau. Heck, you can sign median 1B for less money to fill in the gap until you are ready to move Plouffe.
    Lighten up Francis....

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    The Twins have to pretty much move anyone on their current roster if they increase in value during the season. Pelfry and Correia especially. Morneau...trade him for something. Then you can renegotiate with him as a free agent. Trade him to a team that might get a ring this year. Willingham...grab the first taker that offers anything breathing. He's slowing down. He is replacable over time, or by just trolling the free agent market for a single year signee. The middle infield is a mess -- all three are average players. I don't want Carroll back at all. Plouffe is showing some signs of stability and is worth a keep. Herrmann can replace Doumit down the line, leaving the backup catcher position open for Lehman or Rohfling next year and Pinto thereafter. I don't know what to say about Diamond. Going into 2014 with Deduno and Walters heading your staff with Worley, Hendriks, Gibson, May, Meyer as backups means we are still rebuilding. Oh, Parmelee CAN replace Morneau for the moment. But unless the Twins go big in the free agent market, 2014 will continue to be a rebuilding year. Arcia is the real deal. I will give Hicks lots of rope (but I want him at AAA for the rest of the summer if Clete Thomas continues to breathe). The bullpen appears strong and we have arms in the system.

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    I think that with Hicks improving he should be kept on the MLB roster. He has been hitting better and makes some exciting catches. Clete Thomas does little for me....
    Last edited by AnotherTwinsFan; 06-17-2013 at 12:46 PM.

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    The Twins may (should??) be sellers this year...the problem is the Twins have nothing to sell that will bring anything in return...had a discussion with my son (a Nats fan) yesterday...we agreed that maybe 5 Twins would make the Nats roster...one (Mauer) would start...other 4 (Parmalee, Hicks, Arcia--Nats could use 2) and maybe a bullpen guy (Perkins). The Nats would give up nothing to get any one of those guys...and the Twins are not trading Mauer. Morneau (injury prone basically average 1B) gets $14 million and is a free agent--no team will give up a top prospect or MLB IF or SP for him. Willingham and Doumit--the same on lesser contracts. Our pitchers are worthless...our best trade values (besides Sano and Buxton) are guys like Hicks and Arcia and Parmalee...we shouldn't be trading them.

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    I think Plouffe may have the most trade value for the Twins besides Perkins. Yet, I think it would be wise to keep him because he's a great offensive asset and has the right handed power we need. Trevor is starting to validate his breakout 2012 and it wouldn't surprise me if he heats up late this June or in July like last year. He'll have to move away from 3B in the future though. I'm on board with 1B and maybe *gulp* SS on occasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    Why would they pay Morneau $10-13MM a year, for being worse than the median 1B? They could use that money on a pitcher/SS/whatever instead......

    The future (like 2 years out) is not that hard to imagine w/o Morneau.
    Unless Morneau starts hitting for more power no one is going to pay him $13 million to play first base for them. That's fine, but remember he is still a good 1B.
    I like Prince Fielder as a person, but think of how many errors our infield would have if he were our 1B.
    How much WOULD you pay for Morneau?

    And finally, They could use the money on a pitcher/SS/whatever...

    Starting season payroll was over $30 million less than it was at the beginning of 2011 season. Morneau, Pelfrey and Blackburn are coming off the payroll at the end of this season.
    They have money. Lots of it.

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    Parmelee needs to step up. If he does not hit the last half of this year, he could be gone in 2 years. Like Morneau, would resign if the price is right. Too many young players = a lot of growing pains without leadership. Then one bad apple, could be a big problem

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    I'm with Oldgoat on this one. I would think that you could sign Morneau for somewhere in the $8-10 million range. If it's for 3 years or less, it won't keep you from doing anything else. Parmalee continues to be underwhelming, especially in high pressure situations. We've been hoping to see the return of the good 6 weeks he had in 2011 for too long.

    I am demoralized just like everyone else about the decline in our payroll, but I'm hopeful that they will start to spend more money as the homegrown talent begins to reach the majors. The Twins are too cheap to fill 4 needs in free agency, but it's more realistic to think they'd go out and get 1 or 2 when they expect to be within shouting distance of the playoffs.

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    Why? Ryan did not do that before. Why is it realistic to think he would ever do it? He told us this off-season he would.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgoat_MN View Post
    How much WOULD you pay for Morneau?
    I would only pay him $3-4M on a one year contract. He is a below average 1st baseman on a team with a glut of potential 1st basemen. Of course I would also go out and spend in FA so those dollars would get used. I guess as long as it is a 1 year contract I won't be too upset what he gets paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    Why? Ryan did not do that before. Why is it realistic to think he would ever do it? He told us this off-season he would.......
    Twins marketing talking points aside, why would Ryan have done that this off-season? Whatever they project publicly, they know that the team is not on the cusp of anything. They're trying to keep the revenue coming in until the feeder system catches up. I don't think any of the free agents available were worth their price to a team in our position. They would have helped move us in the right direction, but if I put myself in the Twins' shoes, I probably wouldn't have pulled the trigger either.

    Also, I find it strange that people spend all of their time ripping on Terry Ryan, when there's a decent chance that he's working with one hand tied behind his back. Am I saying he's blameless? Absolutely not. Just saying that he doesn't sign the checks.

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    Ryan has said over and over he is allowed to spend whatever he wants. I can only take him at his word, or assume he's lying. I choose to take him at his word, rather than believe he is a liar. Plus, come on. They are barely over dome days in salary, and they get $25MM more in free revenue next year. There is no hand tying here.....this is a choice. A false choice, imo.....that you have to only sign a FA when it gets you a championship, or that you can only either build through the draft of sign FAs.....but I've beat those comments to the level they resemble Ohco Cinco's future career in law....
    Lighten up Francis....

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    I agree with you that it's a bad idea to just add free agents when you're chasing a championship. I'm not saying the Twins approach is perfect by any means. Please don't interpret my comments that way. Teams only ever have a general idea of what the crop of free agents is going to be in the off-season just before their team makes its push because of re-signings, etc. If the free agents aren't stellar, you of course have to sacrifice farm talent in trades, so you should obtain quality players in free agency when you have a chance. I look to the upcoming off-season and the next to evaluate how serious the Twins are about being a contender and not just an also-ran. If they project that much of our talent will be arriving/maturing around 2015 or so, they'll need to add several solid free agents to the team instead of just fill-ins or re-treads.

    I believe (I know someone will correct me if I'm wrong) that the Twins opening day payroll in 2009 was $65 million. It didn't jump to its current level ($94-ish) until they moved to Target Field. While still not being at the level they should be, a difference of $30 million isn't tiny. When he says he's allowed to spend, I would not say that Terry Ryan is flat lying, but I would take everything with a grain of salt. He's reacting to constant badgering from the press about whether he's been giving a spending limit. I'd give them a unequivocal answer too. I highly doubt that he's allowed to build a $150 million+ payroll.

    Also, I think many people would agree that just spending money is not the answer. Would you have paid Zach Greinke that much, for instance? I don't agree with everything that Jay Jaffe says in the SI article I'm sure people have seen and discussed already (Recent results suggest free-agency is more of a sucker's bet than ever before | The Strike Zone - SI.com), but there are some interesting points.

    Is there an actual thread here where people discuss what signings/decisions they would have made over recent years to build this team? I realize that pieces of it are discussed in almost every thread, but I'd love to see different people's overall philosophy. (Sign these two free agents, then the next year I would have gone after this piece or that one, etc.). The discussion would benefit greatly from hindsight, but would still be interesting.
    Last edited by EternalOptimist; 06-18-2013 at 03:29 PM. Reason: Corrected one sentence's construction

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    I don't think Morneau will ever get a contract for > 2 years again. The concussion issue is too glaring.

    Even as a Morneau fan, I would love to have Parmelee show that he should be our future 1B. The numbers do not support this. Don'tFeedTheGreedGuy points out that Morneau has an OBP that is 40 points higher than Parmelee's.

    Tough calls. The stats at the end of the season may prove enlightening, but I'm sure there will be multiple opinions at that time as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    Why? Ryan did not do that before. Why is it realistic to think he would ever do it? He told us this off-season he would.......
    MWM, I understand. I think that TR has let us down before.

    Consider, though, that the post was made by someone not only using sound business logic, but whose very handle is EternalOptimist.


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    I think a 2 yr contract in the $5-7M range is a possibility. Remember, Morneau was out of baseball for nearly two years--that he is still playing is a reflection on just how good his skills are--hitting a baseball is a tremendously complicated athletic endeavor. Even the best players who go on the short term disabled list play a few games on a rehab assignment so they can get their timing down before returning to the majors. Morneau was out for NEARLY TWO YEARS! So, how is he doing? Well, he's leading the team in RBI's, hitting .288, and playing above-average defense. (see the comment about Fielder, above.) Are you sure that a minor leaguer, or a similarly-priced free agent can provide greater production? Crazy.

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    Current level is??? 80 million, not 94 million

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