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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    In general, all things being equal, you put the stronger arm in RF because of the longer throw to third base, to stop a few runners going 1st to 3rd on a hit. Because of the short throw from left, arm strength doesn't matter much in that situation.
    So Ben Revere playing RF last year is the exception that proves the rule?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CairoCrown View Post
    So Ben Revere playing RF last year is the exception that proves the rule?
    Welcome to Twins Territory!

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    Morneau can't buy a HR!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CairoCrown View Post
    So Ben Revere playing RF last year is the exception that proves the rule?
    Nah, for whatever reason we were told that Revere wasn't playing the ball as well in LF as in RF, and Hammer didn't want to move and has been in LF for a while now and the move to RF would be difficult, maybe. It's up to you whether to believe any of this, but that was what was said. On these boards, and the general sense of defensive positioning would be to put Revere in left because of the arm weakness and more spacious LF at Target, and get Hammer to RF.
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    Buxton would have had that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Ratio View Post
    Nah, for whatever reason we were told that Revere wasn't playing the ball as well in LF as in RF, and Hammer didn't want to move and has been in LF for a while now and the move to RF would be difficult, maybe. It's up to you whether to believe any of this, but that was what was said. On these boards, and the general sense of defensive positioning would be to put Revere in left because of the arm weakness and more spacious LF at Target, and get Hammer to RF.
    If I remember correctly, Willingham was signed with the intention he would play in right, and then for some reason it didn't happen - I think because he resisted the shift, but I could be incorrect in that. That left the preseason RF plans in tatters and they had to improvise, hence Revere, et al.

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    Grumble... Dozier....grumble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Ratio View Post
    Grumble... Dozier....grumble.
    Took a run off the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Ratio View Post
    Grumble... Dozier....grumble.
    Simply awful baserunning. If he just stops, they don't get the DP without a rundown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    Simply awful baserunning. If he just stops, they don't get the DP without a rundown.
    Even the guy who doesn't know the difference between RF and LF knows that!

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    That's that spacious OF at Target.

    Snark.


    Edit: Cuddyer would have had that.
    Last edited by Ultima Ratio; 06-11-2013 at 08:22 PM. Reason: Why not?
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    OK, 5 innings, 64 pitches - do you send out Walters for the 6th?

    ​Yes, this is meant sarcastically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CairoCrown View Post
    So Ben Revere playing RF last year is the exception that proves the rule?
    Yeah, as others have said, I think if I remember right it had to do with Willingham not wanting to move to RF. There was no shortage of gnashing of teeth about the situation here at TD. Much ado about very little, IMO. The number of times a RFer's arm prevents or allows an extra base isn't enough to get all worked up about, although the point people were making was true...why allow even one if not necessary?

    There was also a lot of discussion about Revere's range being put to better use in LF at TF, but IMO a given OFers range plays just as well in one corner or the other, and the "size" of RF or LF is a nonfactor. Balls will fall in to the left and right, in front of and in back of, every OFer, so his range isn't as big as the field no matter which corner he's standing in. Hence, his range plays the same, LF or RF. We even had discussions over at BYTO about whether or not more balls are hit to RF or LF, and if I remember correctly, we couldn't find definitive proof, but annually RFers tend to make more putouts than LFers, so it appears at least like RF gets more balls.

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    Ok, in all seriousness, does Willingham make that catch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CairoCrown View Post
    Ok, in all seriousness, does Willingham make that catch?
    Not from his seat on the bench.

    ba-dum-tsshh


    In all seriousness, I have no idea, but my guess is no. Arcia probably runs a bit better, and that was all speed to recover from a bit of a poor jump. Maybe Willingham gets a better jump, who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    In all seriousness, I have no idea, but my guess is no. Arcia probably runs a bit better, and that was all speed to recover from a bit of a poor jump. Maybe Willingham gets a better jump, who knows?
    Ah, the ol' "Derek Jeter" argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    Maybe Willingham gets a better jump, who knows?
    At his age, that would be more of a hop or a skip, wouldn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    Not from his seat on the bench.

    ba-dum-tsshh


    In all seriousness, I have no idea, but my guess is no. Arcia probably runs a bit better, and that was all speed to recover from a bit of a poor jump. Maybe Willingham gets a better jump, who knows?
    UZR/150 and dWAR knows. That's who, donchaknow.
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    Clete Thomas catches that.

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    //jamshot//

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