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    Article: Twins center field depth to be tested


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    Thomas might not be the ideal man for center field but the Twins have to play with the hand they were dealt.

    Even if it seems like the hand is a couple cards short...
    This was a self-inflicted wound, they dealt this hand to themselves, and now they look quite foolish playing 52-pickup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    This was a self-inflicted wound, they dealt this hand to themselves, and now they look quite foolish playing 52-pickup.
    +1, as much as I'm ok with the return on Span and Revere, the fact that TR was willing to bluff his way through not having a legitimate CF always baffled me. It was Hicks or Hicks from the beginning, Benson being waived a third of the way in is proof positive if that.

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    All this talk about CF depth? Yikes! There are so many holes on this team that to focus on a short-term problem is myopic. Power-hitting, timely hitting, plain 'ol hitting are a lot bigger problem than CF. Middle infield? Wasn't Sunday's doubleheader sufficient evidence to realize that problem is far worse? No need to even mention the elephant in the room.

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    Both middle infield and CF, the most critical players on the field besides the battery-mates, were one-option-only bluffs by TR, that have been called. And neither are "short-term problems"- there aren't any more cards left in the deck for the near-to-intermediate-term, anyways.

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    We are not a competitive team so this is really not a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlhouse View Post
    We are not a competitive team so this is really not a problem.


    We're not a competitive team BECAUSE this is just one of many problems that weren't properly addressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    This was a self-inflicted wound, they dealt this hand to themselves, and now they look quite foolish playing 52-pickup.
    What would you have done different? It's not like the Twins can decide who gets injured and who doesn't. This is just one of those situations where you have multiple injuries at one position. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. When that happens, most franchises have to struggle to fill the spot until some of the injuries get resolved.

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    Terry Ryan is damned if you do, damned if you don't. After last season they needed pitching, he dealt from a position of strength at the time - centerfielders - most people on here applauded his trades and would have done the same thing if they were the GM but now the perfect storm of injuries has made them a little thin.

    In hindsight maybe they should have kept Benson around a little longer - but is an outfielder that hits .189 or a few missed fly balls going to make or break their losing season? I think not.

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    I just don't get this.


    Hicks aside (injuries happen,) the Twins have plenty of replacement level CF depth. Lamenting about the loss of 3 of those (Mastroianni, Benson and Ramirez, the latter not really a CF) while having Thomas, Richardson, Pettit and Morales still around, does not make much sense.

    Do the Twins have 2 starting CFs like they did last season? No. Was that an uber luxury in a 99+96 loss team? Yes.

    It will be fine. If Thomas does not work, get Richardson until Hicksie is healed or Mastroianni healthy (and Hicksie is not exactly hitting the cover off the ball) and call it a day. You can plug any of those guys and have pretty much the same results.

    CF is not much of the problem in this team. Really. If Correia is your best SP, you are doomed even if Kirby were the Centerfielder.

    This is like someone with terminal stage cancer complaining about a hangnail.
    Last edited by Thrylos; 06-11-2013 at 07:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlhouse View Post
    We are not a competitive team so this is really not a problem.
    This. Let's see how they hit. We'll worry about positions in 2 years when it matters.

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    Two years? Ugh. I do not blame Ryan, three center fielders are now hurt. Of course, none of those were any good, but that is another issue entirely.

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    I cannot believe it but I agree with Thrylos! CF is not the reason we are a losing team. We made the correct moves in trading Span and Revere. Benson needed to go as well. We could not have imagined these injures were going to happen. Plus who knows if Benson would do any better then Thomas.

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    I'm not sure what the fuss is. Forget about Clete Thomas or anyone else and put Arcia there. I know Arcia is not a CF, but this season is lost anyways. Put him in CF for 2 weeks while Hicks is out and see if he's adjusted offensively. I couldn't care less about the defense there as it's not his natural position. This keeps Parmalee in the lineup to see if his development continues.

    I agree depth has changed. Trading Span and Revere was likely the right decision. While I don't agree with releasing Benson, it isn't as if people would be clamoring to see him right now.

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    The trades were the correct trades to make. I don't see how anyone could have predicted Worley to be this damn terrible. Maybe bad, but not like this.

    Benson didn't need to go anywhere so he would have been available instead of using true organizational filler to fill-in with a likely sub-500 OPS.

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    I honestly don't get the "this isn't our biggest problem" crowd? So . . . smaller problems don't add up to a big one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
    I honestly don't get the "this isn't our biggest problem" crowd? So . . . smaller problems don't add up to a big one?
    Wish I could double like this post. can I love a post?
    Lighten up Francis....

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    @Shane - You nailed it. "The trades were the correct trades to make. I don't see how anyone could have predicted Worley to be this damn terrible." If Worley was pitching like the Worley we all thought we were getting, the Twins could possibly .500 right now. He has been that terrible. Injuries happen, the next guy has to step up.

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    I'd rather have May and Meyer, however they turn out, than a light-hitting good-fielding CF who gets worn down chasing line drives all over the outfield for the next 5 years. The pitching has to be fixed or nothing else matters. If Hermann/Thomas can't back up Hicks for a couple weeks there are more outfielders to try.

    The biggest problem the Twins have right now is that it's not 2014. I think the goal this year is to field a half-competitive team while figuring out who to keep and who to trade/release over the next 18 months. Cycling through minor-league outfielders is part of that. Oh yeah, finding a middle infield and a few reliable starters wouldn't hurt either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackjack View Post
    Terry Ryan is damned if you do, damned if you don't. After last season they needed pitching, he dealt from a position of strength at the time - centerfielders - most people on here applauded his trades and would have done the same thing if they were the GM but now the perfect storm of injuries has made them a little thin.

    In hindsight maybe they should have kept Benson around a little longer - but is an outfielder that hits .189 or a few missed fly balls going to make or break their losing season? I think not.
    My problem with Ryan is that, once he made the trades, he decided that the team's best option was to sacrifice a year of control on Hicks and rush him up the the majors and then leave him there once it was clear he wasn't ready. It's a wasted year no matter what at the ML level (and if they didn't think it was going to be a wasted year, they would have gone after much better pitching than they did) but now they may have wasted one of the better assets they had in the organization at the moment.

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