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    Article: Twins MLB Draft Profile: Reese McGuire, C


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    No high school catcher is "ready for the majors defensively". Maybe he's good at catching 80 MPH fastballs and 70 MPH slurves. Maybe he's got a strong arm. But that does not mean he can call a game, manage an at bat, or set the defense. There's a lot more to catching than having tools.

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    If they Twins draft McGuire the Twins are likely going to be widely criticized, some of which is fair and some of which is not. Perception is that the Twins need to add pitching, that they are too enamored with defensive catchers and that they are unwilling to spend money. Drafting McGuire would reinforce all of those paradigms.
    I concur with Christy above, what catcher in HS is ready for the majors, this is an absurd scouting report if that's what they're trying to sell to the public.

    I think the criticism is more likely to revolve around the incredibly risky madness of not drafting the best player available, and instead going for a guy with tons of questions surrounding him- getting the #4 overall pick- a guy who has a chance to be mentioned in the same breath as "the next Drew Butera" as the downside consolation prize??? WT???- and surrounding the history of the remote likelihood of a HS catcher in recent years without a certified hitting tool ever making a mark in the big leagues at the plate would be foolhardy.

    Simply put, Risks taken with this high of a pick must have incredible upside reward. I don't see it from this guy, and so what if you get Manea later on and he has the sore-armed history already on his resume to realistically project as just another breakdown candidate, a la, Alex Wimmers?
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    And what if you're "sure" that Manea will sign, but 3 clubs ahead of you also got that same assurance from his agent? Can TR win a real-time in-draft bidding battle with 3 or more other clubs who also are thinking along these lines? Very sketchy.

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    Manae a May be available when the Twins make their 2nd round (maybe 3rd round!) pick.

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    Far too risky a move for me. Would rather take Stewart on a flyer, may be able to get him for slightly under slot, and still work on getting a better pick later

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    To risky for me too. Although Butch Wynegar was starting at 19 for the Twins and hit .260. If there were some way to project this kid to hit .260 in 4 years this scenario might be worth the risk. I am not sold on Kohl Stewert either. His videos show him all over the place. Control looks to be an issue. Shipley or Stanek would be much better picks. I guess we can always hope that Houston or Colorado try this scenario and one of the Big 3 drops to us.

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    Reese McGuire did catch Kohl Stewart in the Pefect Game All-American Classic and if Stewart was only throwing 80 mph fastballs with 70 mph slurves then I wouldn't Stewart either.

    McGuire is advanced behind the plate. In all facets of the defensive aspect of the game. Obviously he'll have work to do. There aren't a lot (or any?) amateur catchers that get the "he's going to make pitchers so much better like Yadi does", that's the type of defensive talent McGuire is. Are there questions? Absofreakinlutely. But defensive backstops are guys that Twins value way too high anyway, so when you have one that is a consensus Top 15 talent, I'd be surprised if the Twins brass didn't get a chubby talking about him and consider him at #4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Nygaard View Post
    Reese McGuire did catch Kohl Stewart in the Pefect Game All-American Classic and if Stewart was only throwing 80 mph fastballs with 70 mph slurves then I wouldn't Stewart either.

    McGuire is advanced behind the plate. In all facets of the defensive aspect of the game. Obviously he'll have work to do. There aren't a lot (or any?) amateur catchers that get the "he's going to make pitchers so much better like Yadi does", that's the type of defensive talent McGuire is. Are there questions? Absofreakinlutely. But defensive backstops are guys that Twins value way too high anyway, so when you have one that is a consensus Top 15 talent, I'd be surprised if the Twins brass didn't get a chubby talking about him and consider him at #4.
    You don't spend your #4 overall pick on the future Drew Butera (his floor).
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    Maybe he's good at catching 80 MPH fastballs and 70 MPH slurves.

    Well then he's perfectly suited for catching the Twins staff.

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    Awful idea, just awful. What happens if they take this guy, and there is no good underslot guy available in round 2? You've passed on much, much higher upside players, and ended up with a HS catcher.....ugh. Just. Don't. Do. It.

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    No. You don't use the 4th overall pick on a player with limited upside, not with Kohl Stewart on the board. If they want to take the safe route, take Shipley. Plus, things are lining up for the Twins to have a real talent influx in 2014/15/16. This guy would not be ready by 2016, but a college arm or very talented HS pitcher (Stewart) probably would be.

    Plus, they have Hermann, Josmil Pinto at AA, and Koch at Hi-A. Not loaded at catcher by any means, but it's nowhere near as big of a need as starting pitching or middle infield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    You don't spend your #4 overall pick on the future Drew Butera (his floor).
    Is that the Twins scouting report on him, or is it the scouting industry's report on him? Maybe the Twins love his defense (which does matter) and believe that he has the size, swing, strength, power, approach to be better than average at an important position?

    I'm definitely not advocating taking McGuire... But he is a consensus Top 10 guy which means he isn't terrible.

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    I guess that's a rhetorical question, Seth......they have 1 SP in their minors we are pretty sure will be in the majors next year....take a pitcher. Sure would be nice to have a rotation of Appel, Gibson, Diamond, guy taken this year, Worley/Meyer......
    Lighten up Francis....

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    BPA...if its McGuire, take him. If it's not (and its not), move on and take BPA!

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    Any team that makes a first round pick based on defense needs a new front office. As much as some may like to think defense is the most important part of baseball, it isn't. At least not any longer. It's about pitching and driving the ball.

    Stay away, not a safe pick, not a smart pick, it's just wrong. I agree with Grover, if the Twins want to go underslot pick Shipley. Though I would not be happy if they went underslot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    I guess that's a rhetorical question, Seth......they have 1 SP in their minors we are pretty sure will be in the majors next year....take a pitcher. Sure would be nice to have a rotation of Appel, Gibson, Diamond, guy taken this year, Worley/Meyer......
    Whoever they draft at #4 likely won't be ready next year either.

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    Well, Wacha and Gausman are already up from this last draft....and there are players from 2011 and 2010 that other teams have drafted that are up.....more than a few, actually. But I agree, this is the Twins, and that player will not be up next year either, but that wasn't the whole point of the post, not even the key part really.
    Lighten up Francis....

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    If the Twins were confident that this ankle/hip thing with Manaea is a fluke and that they knew he'd be there in round 2, I could see this, but truth be told, I doubt Manaea drops that far, nor do I feel comfortable with this pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    Any team that makes a first round pick based on defense needs a new front office. As much as some may like to think defense is the most important part of baseball, it isn't. At least not any longer. It's about pitching and driving the ball.

    Stay away, not a safe pick, not a smart pick, it's just wrong. I agree with Grover, if the Twins want to go underslot pick Shipley. Though I would not be happy if they went underslot.
    Isn't pitching part of defense?

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