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    I am actually eager to hear this G&G coming up. Gleeman's twitter feed is pretty indicative of his view on this matter, especially considering the presence of Butera, Hermsen, Robertson, DeVries, Deduno, Hernandez, and Ramirez on the 40-man roster (aside from USA Chief's correct point about Gibson over Walters).

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    And I am *NOT* a Gleeman fanboy. I'm just sayin'

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    My cynicism stems from the fact that the Twins rarely seem to anticipate the problems that prospects eventually seem to have, whether it be within their attitude or skill-set. I know every team has failed prospects, but rarely do the Twins seem to offload prospects (who eventually fail) for value, beyond Bullock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoSABR View Post
    My cynicism stems from the fact that the Twins rarely seem to anticipate the problems that prospects eventually seem to have, whether it be within their attitude or skill-set. I know every team has failed prospects, but rarely do the Twins seem to offload prospects (who eventually fail) for value, beyond Bullock.
    This is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoSABR View Post
    My cynicism stems from the fact that the Twins rarely seem to anticipate the problems that prospects eventually seem to have, whether it be within their attitude or skill-set. I know every team has failed prospects, but rarely do the Twins seem to offload prospects (who eventually fail) for value, beyond Bullock.
    Bobby Kielty.

    I think the more accurate statement is "The Twins don't offload many prospects, period." They've shuffled around a few guys for vets like Pavano but I can't remember a recent prospect that left the system and succeeded other than the Golden Calf (and his "success" was very short-lived before turning back into a pumpkin of mediocrity).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    Bobby Kielty.

    I think the more accurate statement is "The Twins don't offload many prospects, period." They've shuffled around a few guys for vets like Pavano but I can't remember a recent prospect that left the system and succeeded other than the Golden Calf (and his "success" was very short-lived before turning back into a pumpkin of mediocrity).
    Probably because they have been so bad at drafting lately.......
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
    Rules for outright waivers.

    November 11 - April 30 (or the 30th day of the next season): The club with the worst won-loss record in the previous season has priority.
    May 1 – July 31 (31st day of the season – July 31): The club with the worst won-loss record in the current season has priority.
    August 1 through November 10: The club with the worst won-loss record in the current season has priority, but American League clubs have priority for AL players, and National League clubs have priority for NL players.


    So it's all about when.
    Nice research, Puck. This suggests that a whole lot of teams passed before Texas grabbed him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jorgenswest View Post
    At some point Hicks or Ramirez will go dtd or be sent down and they will need a space on the 40 to move up Clete Thomas.

    Prepare you arguments for 100+ replies to losing Chris Colabello, Sam Deduno or PJ Walters. Whose turn is it to play the attitude card when one of them go?
    Ha ha I can totally see that coming. "LOL! We totally shouldn't have DFA'd Deduno! Now he's gonna go be a Cy Young in another rotation!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danchat View Post
    Ha ha I can totally see that coming. "LOL! We totally shouldn't have DFA'd Deduno! Now he's gonna go be a Cy Young in another rotation!"
    I get that some people think we shouldn't have cut Benson, and others think it was the right move.
    But come on man. Please tell me even those that think it was the right move understand the difference between a 25 year old, 5 tool prospect (who admittedly hasnt put it together thus far), and a 29 year old who never was a prospect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Brooks View Post
    I get that some people think we shouldn't have cut Benson, and others think it was the right move.
    But come on man. Please tell me even those that think it was the right move understand the difference between a 25 year old, 5 tool prospect (who admittedly hasnt put it together thus far), and a 29 year old who never was a prospect.
    Twins need anybody who is cheap, and might hold a job pitching. Unless Benson is carrying a toolbox--he doesn't have 5 of them. He can't hit for power or hit period. There really isn't much use for those guys. But don't be concerned, if the Twins want him, he will be available when Benson is DFAd by Texas.
    Last edited by Kwak; 05-26-2013 at 09:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwak View Post
    Twins need anybody who is cheap, and might hold a job pitching. Unless Benson is carrying a toolbox--he doesn't have 5 of them. He can't hit for power or hit period. There really isn't much use for those guys. But don't be concerned, if the Twins want him, he will be available when Benson is DFAd by Texas.
    Do you understand the difference between tools and actual production? Benson has all 5 tools, he just hasn't figured out a way to use a couple of them to this point.

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    Benson has 5 tools? Which ones are those again?

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    Nevermind, some people don't seem to get the difference between a "tool" and production.

    I'm not claiming he's any good. Baseball history is littered with 5 tool guys who never panned out. That doesn't change the fact that they had the raw tools though.
    Last edited by Mr. Brooks; 05-26-2013 at 10:16 PM.

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    Benson hit a home run today.
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    Benson doesn't have the hit for average tool and I'm not sure speed is much a tool anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Brooks View Post
    Nevermind, some people don't seem to get the difference between a "tool" and production.

    I'm not claiming he's any good. Baseball history is littered with 5 tool guys who never panned out. That doesn't change the fact that they had the raw tools though.
    Benson still isn't a 5 tool player. He has speed, arm, defense and some power but he doesn't have the hit for avg tool. There is absolutely no doubt about it after 2500 AB's with a .250 avg. He wasn't going to contribute this year so I can't understand the angst in this thread. Deduno might actually contribute so I don't see how he's in this discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kab21 View Post
    Benson still isn't a 5 tool player. He has speed, arm, defense and some power but he doesn't have the hit for avg tool. There is absolutely no doubt about it after 2500 AB's with a .250 avg. He wasn't going to contribute this year so I can't understand the angst in this thread. Deduno might actually contribute so I don't see how he's in this discussion.
    i'm firmly in the "meh" camp. Hard to have any angst about losing a guy in such a downward career spiral. He had shown enough raw talent just 2 year ago that he had many of us hoping he could steer himself out of it, but it clearly wasn't meant to be. But, I remain appalled at the lack of FO concern for better bolstering of the CF depth. And Benson seems like he would have been an ideal throw-in candidate for a trade deal in July if he would have been able to show just a little extended string of success between now and July 31. Either way, he would have been gone by the end of the year.

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    I'm in the "whatever" camp on losing Benson, but the process that led up to it makes me roll my eyes a bit.
    "Maybe you could go grab a bat and ball… and learn something. Maybe you will get it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Brooks View Post
    Nevermind, some people don't seem to get the difference between a "tool" and production.

    I'm not claiming he's any good. Baseball history is littered with 5 tool guys who never panned out. That doesn't change the fact that they had the raw tools though.
    I think most people here understand the difference between a tool and actual production but if none of those tools ever produced anything, what are we talking about? Definitions?

    Having said that, at 25 he's still worth hanging on to as opposed to adding a couple of players who should have no business near our 40 man as early as next year.

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    Even well run organizations can find themselves in a bind where 40 man roster spots become an obstacle and someone has to be exposed to waivers.

    But well run organizations don't intentionally lose guys with Benson's physical abilities over guys with almost zero possibility of ever being useful major leaguers. They don't lose guys like Benson when it wasn't necessary to lose anyone off the 40 man. And they do their best to anticipate 40 man roster implications so as not to put themselves in a bad position later on down if they can avoid it.

    The Twins did none of that. Draw your own conclusions.

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