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    Quote Originally Posted by kab21 View Post
    diehard is still believes the Twins are in the pre-Sano (pre-Target Field) mindset. Something changed that year and although I don't recall the Twins spending 1M+ (on one prospect) for a couple of years they were significantly more active internationally after that.
    I think what changed was that Target Field along with increased revenues was on the horizon resulting in a subsequent increase in all budgets. The franchise finally had the ability to compete for the top prospects that they wanted. In the same time frame also they started going over slot a little bit more in the draft. These are not coincidences.
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    There's that but you saw bigger shifts from several small/mid markets teams (Pirates and Royals notably) at the same time. I think it just became evident that teams needed to be involved internationally to stay competitive. I'm just glad that the Twins are now involved internationally since they basically ignored it until a couple of years ago.

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    Bill Smith returned the twins to the international market....

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    Jason Parks of Baseball Prospectus saw Micker Zapata at a showcase in January. The link to his notes on the event is here. Says he was the best player at the showcase with 7+ power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kab21 View Post
    diehard is still believes the Twins are in the pre-Sano (pre-Target Field) mindset. Something changed that year and although I don't recall the Twins spending 1M+ (on one prospect) for a couple of years they were significantly more active internationally after that.
    I'm not sure if they are in Metrodome mindset or not. What I do think is that given that the international free spending was ending and the fact that the Twins were awful, they should have spent as much money as possible there.

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    I should also note that Garrioch had a really good article over at minorleagueball regarding an international draft. I'm really curious how this will play out. I do think that they need to do something to ensure that the bad teams get the best players to improve competitive balance, but short of MLB taking over all the academies, I'm not sure how it will be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diehardtwinsfan View Post
    I should also note that Garrioch had a really good article over at minorleagueball regarding an international draft. I'm really curious how this will play out. I do think that they need to do something to ensure that the bad teams get the best players to improve competitive balance, but short of MLB taking over all the academies, I'm not sure how it will be done.
    I linked his story in the article. Its a good read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diehardtwinsfan View Post
    but short of MLB taking over all the academies, I'm not sure how it will be done.
    Just because a player goes to a specific team's academy doesn't mean he has to sign with that team. That player can do work outs at other academies and still can have their agents reach out to other teams. The Twins had this guy named Miguel Cabrera, who went to their Venezuelan academy. It was one of the closest academies located near where Miguel was from. In the end the Twins got outbid. The Twins had bid high and the Marlins had bid higher.

    No system will ever be completely fair. It will either favor the teams who have the best scouts or the most cash to spend. The top money guys are the ones everyone has heard of, but you do need a strong presence in a region to find the diamonds in the rough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diehardtwinsfan View Post
    I should also note that Garrioch had a really good article over at minorleagueball regarding an international draft. I'm really curious how this will play out. I do think that they need to do something to ensure that the bad teams get the best players to improve competitive balance, but short of MLB taking over all the academies, I'm not sure how it will be done.
    I think the bonus pools does that pretty well. I would also be concerned about MLB taking over the academies and not expanding the network. right now if teams see an opportunity in a new place (like Brazil) they spend the big bucks to be there. that might not happen with MLB running the show. There was also some speculation that Puerto Rico participating in the MLB draft led to a nationwide decline of baseball. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/17/sp...anted=all&_r=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by diehardtwinsfan View Post
    Honestly given the Twins record, they should have been one of the top spenders in FA and landed whatever they liked. I'm a bit disappointed they did not. That said, I hope they either spend their allotment, or trade it for a decent prospect. I have no issue with tem adding part of their bonus pool to another team to get a higher ceiling prospect assuming of course they aren't terribly high on what they'd be signing.
    There is something really simple against that logic:
    You need to have the right prospects to spend $$. And really after Sano, if you exclude the Cubans, there have not been many of those kind of prospects.

    Spending $ just to spend does not make any sense (even though Ryan does it with veteran FAs.) If you are getting the equivalent of a 10th-round (rule 4) draft pick (or even an equivalent prospect if you trade the international slot) in a 16 year old AFA whom you have to pay $750K to sign, you better not spend the $ that way. If there is value, spend (and overspend,) if not, it is a waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thrylos98 View Post
    There is something really simple against that logic:
    You need to have the right prospects to spend $$. And really after Sano, if you exclude the Cubans, there have not been many of those kind of prospects.

    Spending $ just to spend does not make any sense (even though Ryan does it with veteran FAs.) If you are getting the equivalent of a 10th-round (rule 4) draft pick (or even an equivalent prospect if you trade the international slot) in a 16 year old AFA whom you have to pay $750K to sign, you better not spend the $ that way. If there is value, spend (and overspend,) if not, it is a waste.
    I might be misreading or not understanding your post. Are you saying that there are not a lot of sure fire prospects internationally...or that there are not others that work out? I look at the current syatem and see it a lot like the draft...crapshoot. I agree not to spend money just because but...the more money you throw out into the international market...the more fish you hook. Just look at the top prospects in baseball. In fact you wouod find it hard to find a decent SS prospect who is not a latin american player today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twins Twerp View Post
    In fact you wouod find it hard to find a decent SS prospect who is not a latin american player today.
    Agreed. But what will give you more bang for you buck at the same price? A decent average hit above average field SS, a 100 mph fireballer with a plus secondary pitch and a third work in progress pitch, or someone with decent contact and 40+ HR potential with so-so glove.

    In my book, the SS would be ranked 3 (with the same $)
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    According to Ben Badler, the Twins are showing strong interest in Lewin Diaz. Diaz is a big lefty who draws body comps to David Ortiz and is said to be getting seven figures. There's more behind BA's paywall.

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    Agreed, Bill Smith, thankfully, was the GM that brought them back into spending. I am so happy he was GM when some of these guys were there.....
    Lighten up Francis....

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    So the Phillies signed German 17-year-old Julsan Kamara. I thought the Twins had the market cornered on German prospects. He's an outfielder though, I guess the Twins can focus their International budget elsewhere.

    Has anyone heard any updates on Aledmys Diaz? Is MLB going to take it's sweet time with the age investigation and cause him to wait an extra year to sign regardless of the findings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    Agreed, Bill Smith, thankfully, was the GM that brought them back into spending. I am so happy he was GM when some of these guys were there.....
    Again, Bill Smith didn't decide to spend more, and Bill Smith didn't decide to invest more heavily in the international market. Many people were involved in these decisions. Prior to his short stint as GM, Bill Smith eaded up the group responsible for building up the organization's capacity internationally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdwatcher View Post
    Again, Bill Smith didn't decide to spend more, and Bill Smith didn't decide to invest more heavily in the international market. Many people were involved in these decisions. Prior to his short stint as GM, Bill Smith eaded up the group responsible for building up the organization's capacity internationally.
    you know, this post reply by me was just bickering, so I deleted it. I'm going to try to stick to the topic, and not argue over stuff like this.
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    Baseball America released this article; Ten International Prospects to Watch for July 2nd.
    Ten International Prospects To Watch For July 2 - BaseballAmerica.com

    One thing I noticed was the article said the following, "The Red Sox, Royals, Blue Jays and Twins all have top 10 pool allotments and should all be in the mix to sign seven-figure players this year." While that isn't a surprise but the fact the Twins are not linked to any of the prospects in the article is. The article is riddled with X team is the favorite or Y team has been linked to player Z with no mention of the Twins. This doesn't mean they won't sign one of them but it is a little odd even with the Twins being historically tight lipped.

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    lewin diaz looks like he'd be a good prospect. i wonder if the twins have much interest in Jen-ho Tseng from Taiwan. the twins have been a little active in that market. Kuo hua lo and Chih wei hu

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    So the Phillies signed German 17-year-old Julsan Kamara. I thought the Twins had the market cornered on German prospects. He's an outfielder though, I guess the Twins can focus their International budget elsewhere.
    Kamara was signed with last years international pool. The Twins already spent most, if not all of their budget from last year. In early July they'll be able to spend on international guys again.

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