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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    Chuck Knoblach, Brett Boone, Luis Castillo.... Aside from a few outliers, middle infielders do not last long into their 30s. Read Bill James. He built the age/performance bell curve, according to which guys peak at 28 or so and start to decline at 30. Small middle infielders tend to have a steeper decline than other players because of the demands of their positions.

    Jamey Carroll is already an extreme outlier to James' model. But we saw last year how slow he got at short after just 6 weeks of everyday play out there. Hence the first Dozier experiment and the current Florimon experiment.
    Sounds fair, even if the declines are much smaller than you posted earlier. You really could have said the same thing about him last year though and he was great.
    Last edited by YourHouseIsMyHouse; 04-11-2013 at 06:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    Carroll>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DeRosa >>>>>>>>>> Dozier
    I can't believe this wasn't in the first post.

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    Case in point as to why we need to stop all the ripping of Hicks as well.

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    Post #7:

    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    Remember that the OP is probably in an "extra-spirited" mood and location for editorializing.
    IIRC, when Dave posted, he was hosting some Twins event at Studio 57, or some such NYC dive.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    Carroll>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DeRosa >>>>>>>>>> Dozier
    Quote Originally Posted by GCTF View Post
    I can't believe this wasn't in the first post.
    One thing we are good at here is hyperbole. We've gone from "Carroll>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DeRosa >>>>>>>>>> Dozier" to "Dozier=Cano". While neither one is accurate, I prefer hanging around this end of the spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Physics Guy View Post
    Case in point as to why we need to stop all the ripping of Hicks as well.
    As well as Junior Ortiz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinsnorth49 View Post
    To be fair, I posted a thread about 6 weeks after the original one saying I was very very pleased to be so wrong.

    This thread was put up after I attended the Twins vs Royals game (it was KC Royals home opener) http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...01304080.shtml

    Dozier absolutely stunk up the joint that game, 0-4, 2k's and a GIDP. It's nice to see him truly turn it around 180 degrees and not only become a capable every day guy, but into a potential all-star level 2B.

    I agree with the sentitment that it is way too early to give up on Hicks as well, who is only 24, a lot of these guys don't hit their stride until 26-27-28 (See Gomez as well). Hopefully the Twins don't give up on Hicks because of a rough start to his career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    To be fair, I posted a thread about 6 weeks after the original one saying I was very very pleased to be so wrong.

    This thread was put up after I attended the Twins vs Royals game (it was KC Royals home opener) http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...01304080.shtml

    Dozier absolutely stunk up the joint that game, 0-4, 2k's and a GIDP. It's nice to see him truly turn it around 180 degrees and not only become a capable every day guy, but into a potential all-star level 2B.

    I agree with the sentitment that it is way too early to give up on Hicks as well, who is only 24, a lot of these guys don't hit their stride until 26-27-28 (See Gomez as well). Hopefully the Twins don't give up on Hicks because of a rough start to his career.
    My post was as much about me as anyone else.

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    Well this is awkward
    I couldn't be a player because of bad eyesight, so I decided to be an umpire instead.

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    Wow! If some of you want some entertainment, reread this thread from the beginning. It is amazing how conventional wisdom can change in a year. Best wishes for Dave's reverse jinx on Hicks.

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    Good stuff here.

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    People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones. We who chose to post here, among some really smart baseball minds, need to be careful not to be mean spirited with our criticism. After all we are all Twins fans and we are all in this together. And we need to remember that as much as we like the Twins, no one wants to succeed more than each individual Twins' coach, GM, manager or player, whether he is on the 25 man roster, the 40 man roster or in AAA or low A. Gooooooooooooo Twins!

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