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    2013 Fantasy baseball rankings

    Something I'd done on BYTO in the past that created some good commenting back and forth was annual fantasy rankings and a review at the end of the season as to how those rankings panned out. I've already posted them on another site, and I'm curious of the interest here. To save board space, I'd post them all in this thread with a new one each day.
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    With not anyone screaming "No!!!" or clamoring, either, I'll simply post my rankings without commentary, and feel free to comment/question/criticize to your heart's content!
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    Catcher
    1. Buster Posey
    2. Joe Mauer
    3. Miguel Montero
    4. Victor Martinez
    5. Yadi Molina
    6. Brian McCann
    7. Carlos Santana
    8. Matt Wieters
    9. Salvador Perez
    10. AJ Pierzynski

    First Base
    1. Prince Fielder
    2. Albert Pujols
    3. Joey Votto
    4. Adrian Gonzalez
    5. Edwin Encarnacion
    6. Freddie Freeman
    7. Billy Butler
    8. Allen Craig
    9. Paul Konerko
    10. Mark Trumbo

    Second Base
    1. Robinson Cano
    2. Ian Kinsler
    3. Dustin Pedroia
    4. Brandon Phillips
    5. Ben Zobrist
    6. Jason Kipnis
    7. Rickie Weeks
    8. Chase Utley
    9. Aaron Hill
    10. Jose Altuve

    Third Base
    1. Miguel Cabrera
    2. Adrian Beltre
    3. David Wright
    4. Evan Longoria
    5. Brett Lawrie
    6. Chase Headley
    7. Ryan Zimmerman
    8. Pablo Sandoval
    9. Aramis Ramirez
    10. Martin Prado

    Shortstop
    1. Troy Tulowitzki
    2. Jose Reyes
    3. Hanley Ramirez
    4. Starlin Castro
    5. Asdrubel Cabrera
    6. Elvis Andrus
    7. Jimmy Rollins
    8. Derek Jeter
    9. Alexei Ramirez
    10. Ian Desmond

    Outfield
    1. Ryan Braun
    2. Mike Trout
    3. Matt Kemp
    4. Andrew McCutchen
    5. Giancarlo Stanton
    6. Carlos Gonzalez
    7. Josh Hamilton
    8. Matt Holliday
    9. Jose Bautista
    10. Jason Heyward
    11. Justin Upton
    12. Bryce Harper
    13. Yoenis Cespedes
    14. Adam Jones
    15. Carlos Beltran
    16. Jay Bruce
    17. BJ Upton
    18. Jacoby Ellsbury
    19. Shin-Soo Choo
    20. Austin Jackson

    Starting Pitchers
    1. Justin Verlander
    2. Clayton Kershaw
    3. Felix Hernandez
    4. David Price
    5. Jered Weaver
    6. Cliff Lee
    7. Stephen Strasburg
    8. Cole Hamels
    9. Adam Wainwright
    10. RA Dickey
    11. Zack Greinke
    12. Matt Cain
    13. Chris Sale
    14. Gio Gonzalez
    15. Jordan Zimmerman
    16. Madison Bumgarner
    17. James Shields
    18. Roy Halladay
    19. Josh Johnson
    20. Yovani Gallardo

    Relief Pitchers
    1. Craig Kimbrel
    1.5* Aroldis Chapman
    2. Jason Motte
    3. Jon Papelbon
    4. JJ Putz
    5. Mariano Rivera
    6. Sergio Romo
    7. Huston Street
    8. Joel Hanrahan
    9. John Axford
    10. Brandon League
    * If moved back to closer
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    Well, you said criticism welcome, so I have a couple.
    Paul Goldschmidt doesnt even crack your top 10 first baseman?
    Strasburg #7 starting pitcher?
    The dude is #1 if the innings limits are off, and even if they limit him to 210 or so he should be #3 at worst.

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    Dickey is not in my top 20 SP'ers. the K rate was a fluke and I do not trust him. Darvish has to at least be ranked. I think we'll see some improvements in your list of negatives that's coming. I'm also avoiding Jered Weaver that high. His K rate is dropping like a rock.

    I'm a little more skeptical of goldy than most but he should be in the Freeman to Craig tier. Same goes for Rizzo. I'm okay with moving Konerko and trumbo out of the top 10.

    Drafting strategy this year:
    Wait until the mid rounds for a catcher.
    Get a 2nd baseman early because it gets really ugly fast
    Get a 3Bman in the top 7-8 rds. Several good ones are available but it drops off quite a bit at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kab21 View Post
    Dickey is not in my top 20 SP'ers. the K rate was a fluke and I do not trust him. Darvish has to at least be ranked. I think we'll see some improvements in your list of negatives that's coming. I'm also avoiding Jered Weaver that high. His K rate is dropping like a rock.

    I'm a little more skeptical of goldy than most but he should be in the Freeman to Craig tier. Same goes for Rizzo. I'm okay with moving Konerko and trumbo out of the top 10.

    Drafting strategy this year:
    Wait until the mid rounds for a catcher.
    Get a 2nd baseman early because it gets really ugly fast
    Get a 3Bman in the top 7-8 rds. Several good ones are available but it drops off quite a bit at that point.
    I completely missed Darvish. I didn't copy it straight, so somehow I missed him. He's top 10 for me. I agree on Goldy, but there's a group of about 7 1B, and he's in it. He and Rizzo would be my 11-12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Brooks View Post
    Well, you said criticism welcome, so I have a couple.
    Paul Goldschmidt doesnt even crack your top 10 first baseman?
    Strasburg #7 starting pitcher?
    The dude is #1 if the innings limits are off, and even if they limit him to 210 or so he should be #3 at worst.
    I'm not touching Strasburg at the price I have to pay/draft him this year for a one year league. I can see #3 at best, but there's plenty of injury risk. Same reason Sale is lower for me than most.

    Goldschmidt is in a group of 7-10 guys who are pretty much interchangeable. I'd have him #11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kab21 View Post
    Drafting strategy this year:
    Wait until the mid rounds for a catcher.
    Get a 2nd baseman early because it gets really ugly fast
    Get a 3Bman in the top 7-8 rds. Several good ones are available but it drops off quite a bit at that point.
    I can agree with this, but I think 3B is very deep personally, at least with guys who give SOME value, in comparison to 1B where I think after about 14, it's UGLY. Guys like Mike Moustakas or Manny Machado could easily be top 5-7 3B next year and aren't top 10 this year, for instance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biggentleben View Post
    I'm not touching Strasburg at the price I have to pay/draft him this year for a one year league. I can see #3 at best, but there's plenty of injury risk. Same reason Sale is lower for me than most.

    Goldschmidt is in a group of 7-10 guys who are pretty much interchangeable. I'd have him #11.
    Well, luckily for me there are people who must agree with you in my drafts.
    I've been getting Stras late 2nd/early 3rd round.
    We'll have to reconvene here at the end of the year when he's making a legit push at 300K's and is the top ranked SP in roto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Brooks View Post
    Well, luckily for me there are people who must agree with you in my drafts.
    I've been getting Stras late 2nd/early 3rd round.
    We'll have to reconvene here at the end of the year when he's making a legit push at 300K's and is the top ranked SP in roto.
    Those from BYTO days will confirm that I am more than willing to come back to my projections and eat crow where I should. That said, I never said Stras couldn't do that, but when guys like Felix and David Price are in the same area, I simply cannot take him with the worries I have about how he holds up.
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    No, thats not how I meant it ben.
    Just saying I'm glad people feel that way, because then I get him in my drafts.
    I find it interesting that you dont have the same concerns with King Felix though, what with the elbow issues he's been having.
    As for Price, he's my pick to win AL Cy Young, so far be it for me to knock him in any way. Its just that when I'm drafting for fantasy I'm going upside whenever its close.
    I could see Stras easily putting up similar rate numbers as all the rest of the top pitchers, while completely blowing them out of the water in K's, which means I can round out my staff in the later rounds with the low K, groundball machines that tend to be undervalued, if I so choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Brooks View Post
    No, thats not how I meant it ben.
    Just saying I'm glad people feel that way, because then I get him in my drafts.
    I find it interesting that you dont have the same concerns with King Felix though, what with the elbow issues he's been having.
    As for Price, he's my pick to win AL Cy Young, so far be it for me to knock him in any way. Its just that when I'm drafting for fantasy I'm going upside whenever its close.
    I could see Stras easily putting up similar rate numbers as all the rest of the top pitchers, while completely blowing them out of the water in K's, which means I can round out my staff in the later rounds with the low K, groundball machines that tend to be undervalued, if I so choose.
    Any pitcher can have injury issues, but the greatest predictor of missing time due to arm injury is previous arm injury. Felix had comments made at the time of his new contract, but no reported discomfort this spring, and it came out that there was no structural damage, it was simply worry about workload that he has had so far. That didn't get near the publicity that the "ZOMG his contract is over because his elbow is about to blow up!!" crap did. I'm enjoying people letting Felix fall to me in drafts as he's very consistent.

    I'm not sure about rounding out a staff with groundball guys either. I tend to do flyers on guys off a bad year or young high-upside pitchers, like Josh Beckett, Mike Minor, etc.
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    Yeah I take a couple of those guys as well, but banking on near 300K's from Stras lets me grab 1 or 2 for the back end that I can almost guarantee myself will have solid ERA's, but tend to fall because they don't have big K totals. I didnt mean I'm filling out the entire rest of my staff with those guys.
    My typical pitching staff might be:
    Stras, late 2nd, early 3rd
    Sale, late 6th, early 7th
    Medlan, 8th-9th
    Low K/solid ERA guy who's undervalued (Fister, Miley, McCarthy, Hudson, Anderson, etc.) 11th-12th
    Samardzija, 14th
    Upside/bounceback candidate (Lester, Beckett, Minor, Estrada, Garcia, etc.) 15th+

    If my bench targets are gone in the late rounds I might even pick up a Beachy to stash on the DL.

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    If you're getting Lester after the 15th, you're not playing with smart players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biggentleben View Post
    If you're getting Lester after the 15th, you're not playing with smart players.
    His adp is at 138.2 right now, which means he's going 2nd to last in the 14th round of a 10 team mixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggentleben View Post
    I can agree with this, but I think 3B is very deep personally, at least with guys who give SOME value, in comparison to 1B where I think after about 14, it's UGLY. Guys like Mike Moustakas or Manny Machado could easily be top 5-7 3B next year and aren't top 10 this year, for instance.
    There a lot of interesting guys but they all have low floors. As an example I think Machado will struggle this year before becoming the player we expect. I could easily see a .260 avg with 15 HR and 10SB (or worse). Mous could easily repeat last year. I would like to get a steadier player 3Bman and take a flier on one of these upside guys as an extra hitter. I just don't feel comfortable with any of them as a starter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kab21 View Post
    There a lot of interesting guys but they all have low floors. As an example I think Machado will struggle this year before becoming the player we expect. I could easily see a .260 avg with 15 HR and 10SB (or worse). Mous could easily repeat last year. I would like to get a steadier player 3Bman and take a flier on one of these upside guys as an extra hitter. I just don't feel comfortable with any of them as a starter.
    I'll agree with this. What I've done in leagues where I've waited on 3B is I've gone after 2-3 of those type of guys. I have one league with Pedro Alvarez, Moustakas, and Todd Frazier. I'm almost certain I'll get fantasy starter production from at least one of the three. I do get the low floor, though, which is why I bank those guys with someone behind them as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Brooks View Post
    His adp is at 138.2 right now, which means he's going 2nd to last in the 14th round of a 10 team mixed.
    If you're getting that from ESPN, I wouldn't trust that number. Too many autodrafts in there to make it viable. I like using the NFBC ADP's, which, of course, I don't have access to at work to look up his position there. All of those leagues are pay leagues and the players tend to be more committed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biggentleben View Post
    If you're getting that from ESPN, I wouldn't trust that number. Too many autodrafts in there to make it viable. I like using the NFBC ADP's, which, of course, I don't have access to at work to look up his position there. All of those leagues are pay leagues and the players tend to be more committed.
    He's going even later according to NFBC, at 144.47

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    Zobrist is eligible for SS, 2B, and RF in ESPN leagues.

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