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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Nelson View Post
    Nice thread, jay. I like the idea of trying to tangibly envision a best-case scenario and what this team could do if everything breaks right. Unfortunately, some of the assumptions required to meet these parameters are dauntingly huge stretches, especially on the pitching side. I really feel like adding even one legitimate, quality starter to the mix would greatly increase their chances of staying afloat.
    I think that it is close. And again, (great post btw.) we are talking about a best-case scenario. A scenario where all the pitchers the Twins have signed are healthy and effective. In that case, Diamond will be number 4 and the rotation would look like this:

    Harden
    Pelfrey
    Worley
    Diamond
    Correia

    If I think of these guys at their best (remember, best case scenario,) this is not that bad of a rotation. And Gibson and Hendriks and Meyer and May on the wings.

    The problem I have is one that will be even worse, if the Twins add another arm without subtracting someone because the above 4 are already blocked... and I am not even mentioning Blackburn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay View Post
    Great question. It wasn't a 'by the pitcher' breakdown that I used, but rather a look at the whole group. Here's the math I used to arrive at 100 runs for the rotation:

    The 2012 starters allowed 528 ER in 880 IP.
    (Minnesota Twins Team Stats » 2012 » Starters » Standard Statistics | FanGraphs Baseball)
    If we think they can be league-average in 2013, the ERA for the group will be around 4.10.

    I assumed the improved performance would lead to longer starts, for 940 IP. The 4.10 ERA at that many IP is 428 runs.

    So, 528-428... 100 fewer runs allowed.
    I know I'm nitpicking here, but the league average ERA for starters last year was roughly 4.40. Relievers were at 3.55, the combined figure was 4.10.

    That would be 458 runs in those 940 innings for the starters.
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    I think, if you're looking for positives, you should look to things that speak to the long-term. Like getting to see Aaron Hicks, a full season of Parmalee, Kyle Gibson, Worley, etc. Any hope for vast improvements on this team overlooks the fact that things didn't go catastrophically wrong last year. They just weren't very good and haven't improved much (if at all) this offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snepp View Post
    I know I'm nitpicking here, but the league average ERA for starters last year was roughly 4.40. Relievers were at 3.55, the combined figure was 4.10.
    I realize I'm nitpicking back, but it made me check again. I come up with 28617 1/3 IP for the SPs and 13335 ER in 2012 for an ERA of 4.19. Where's the 4.40 figure coming from?

    Major League Team Stats » 2012 » Starters » Standard Statistics | FanGraphs Baseball

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay View Post
    I realize I'm nitpicking back, but it made me check again. I come up with 28617 1/3 IP for the SPs and 13335 ER in 2012 for an ERA of 4.19. Where's the 4.40 figure coming from?

    Major League Team Stats » 2012 » Starters » Standard Statistics | FanGraphs Baseball
    MLB average is 4.19 -> 13335 ER in 28617.2 Inn
    AL-only average is 4.37 -> 6474 ER in 13342.1 Inn
    NL-only average is 4.04 -> 6861 ER in 15275.1 Inn

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    From baseball reference, the actual figure was 4.37.

    American League 2012 Pitching Splits - Baseball-Reference.com


    Edit: I see, you're looking at ML as a whole.
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    Ah, I see.

    I suppose AL average would probably be the more realistic goal. That's just GREAT... now come up with 30 more runs some where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay View Post
    ... now come up with 30 more runs some where.
    A Shaun Marcum signing could help out in that regard.
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    They won't lose as many games as last year, view that any way you choose.

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    Last year... The Starting Pitching was bad... The effect that had on the 2012 team was obvious to all... We kept putting an ineffective Blackburn and Marquis and Liriano out there because we had nobody else to throw.

    In 2013... I have no expectation for Kershaw type performance from anyone... but... we do have options this year... Not Kershaw type options but options none the less. If Ryan/Gardenhire use those options... Average pitching is absolutely possible and with just average pitching... The team can improve their win loss totals by quite a bit.

    The key will be... If Correia fails like most here seem to think he will... The Twins won't keep trotting him out there and instead turn to Gibson, Hendriks... Deduno or whoever to see if they can at least provide average pitching.

    If Correia or Pelfrey have 6 plus ERA's in June and are still in the rotations... Our pitching depth will mean nothing and it will be a long year. If our starters can average around 4.40... We could be OK.

    I'm still hoping for a Marcum signing... I will be dispointed if we don't and I am preparing for that highly possible disapointment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post
    Last year... The Starting Pitching was bad... The effect that had on the 2012 team was obvious to all... We kept putting an ineffective Blackburn and Marquis and Liriano out there because we had nobody else to throw.

    In 2013... I have no expectation for Kershaw type performance from anyone... but... we do have options this year... Not Kershaw type options but options none the less. If Ryan/Gardenhire use those options... Average pitching is absolutely possible and with just average pitching... The team can improve their win loss totals by quite a bit.

    The key will be... If Correia fails like most here seem to think he will... The Twins won't keep trotting him out there and instead turn to Gibson, Hendriks... Deduno or whoever to see if they can at least provide average pitching.

    If Correia or Pelfrey have 6 plus ERA's in June and are still in the rotations... Our pitching depth will mean nothing and it will be a long year. If our starters can average around 4.40... We could be OK.

    I'm still hoping for a Marcum signing... I will be dispointed if we don't and I am preparing for that highly possible disapointment.
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