Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 26

Thread: Would You Have Gone 2 Years, $30M for Dempster?

  1. #1
    The King In The North All-Star Nick Nelson's Avatar
    Posts
    1,623
    Like
    5
    Liked 65 Times in 24 Posts
    Blog Entries
    292

    Would You Have Gone 2 Years, $30M for Dempster?

    Sounds like he'll sign with Boston for around 2/26, and according to Doogie the Twins didn't make an offer. Who knows if kicking in a few extra mil would've been enough to entice Dempster, but would you have made a 2/30 bid if you were Terry Ryan? Keep in mind that Morneau's expected departure takes $14M off the books for next year.

  2. #2
    Senior Member Big-Leaguer 70charger's Avatar
    Posts
    931
    Like
    72
    Liked 56 Times in 26 Posts
    Going to go out on a limb and say yes. I don't like the price tag one bit, but it seems as though that's what it takes to get a guy like that. And if he doesn't require a 3rd year, then all the better. I think he'll be effective for another couple years.

  3. #3
    Junior Member Rookie
    Posts
    3
    Like
    0
    Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    For a few dollars more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Nelson View Post
    Sounds like he'll sign with Boston for around 2/26, and according to Doogie the Twins didn't make an offer. Who knows if kicking in a few extra mil would've been enough to entice Dempster, but would you have made a 2/30 bid if you were Terry Ryan? Keep in mind that Morneau's expected departure takes $14M off the books for next year.
    My guess is we've seen the extent of TR's FA pitching acquisitions. I'm as hard as the next guy on last year's staff, but I've seen enough of Dempster to persuade me he is not $26 million better than what we have. If Ryan picks up another pitcher, it more likely will come by trade. And while we keep saying Mauer can't/won't be traded and it's unlikely Morneau will be moved, keep an eye on Boston and Baltimore.

  4. #4
    Senior Member Double-A SgtSchmidt11's Avatar
    Posts
    124
    Like
    1
    Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3
    No, but mostly because I don't really like Dempster...I'd rather have Marcum or Jackson.

  5. #5
    Pixel Monkey MVP Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
    Posts
    6,696
    Like
    32
    Liked 776 Times in 426 Posts
    Blog Entries
    6
    It depends.

    1. You're not going to get Marcum. Then yes, I'd definitely go 2/$30m for Dempster.

    2. You have a good shot at Marcum or Jackson and you're bidding competitively. Then no, I'd probably hold off on Dempster.

  6. #6
    Senior Member All-Star
    Posts
    4,609
    Like
    512
    Liked 214 Times in 147 Posts
    I have kind of given up at this point....still hoping to he wrong.....

  7. #7
    Owner MVP Seth Stohs's Avatar
    Posts
    5,924
    Like
    41
    Liked 202 Times in 106 Posts
    Blog Entries
    515
    I'd say no because that contract would likely make him untradeable without picking up a bunch of the contract anyway.

  8. #8
    Senior Member All-Star SpiritofVodkaDave's Avatar
    Posts
    3,615
    Like
    37
    Liked 183 Times in 103 Posts
    No, Dempster is old and was a disaster in the AL last year.

    He will struggle to post a sub 4.50 ERA

  9. #9
    Senior Member All-Star
    Posts
    4,609
    Like
    512
    Liked 214 Times in 147 Posts
    So just signing him to put a competitive team on the field is a bad idea?

  10. #10
    Super Moderator MVP ashburyjohn's Avatar
    Posts
    6,969
    Like
    1,041
    Liked 1,260 Times in 752 Posts
    Blog Entries
    28
    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Nelson View Post
    Sounds like he'll sign with Boston for around 2/26, and according to Doogie the Twins didn't make an offer. Who knows if kicking in a few extra mil would've been enough to entice Dempster, but would you have made a 2/30 bid if you were Terry Ryan? Keep in mind that Morneau's expected departure takes $14M off the books for next year.
    Guh, I posed a similar question a few minutes before as a followup in a thread. I suggested $28M as a starting point to get him to give the Twins the time of day, but $30 may be more realistic. Might need a vesting option for a third year, as well, or he'd say no thanks I'll go with a contender for now. That's still better (to me) than a fully guaranteed third year for when the team has really turned the corner and he could have proved to be useless by then.

    We really were fed bad information, with a presumption of 3 years, and a preference for the NL, and for Spring Training in Arizona. This actual deal blows up all three. Agents lying? When did that start?

  11. #11
    Senior Member Big-Leaguer Mr. Ed's Avatar
    Posts
    810
    Like
    0
    Liked 2 Times in 1 Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    I have kind of given up at this point....still hoping to he wrong.....
    Ditto.

  12. #12
    Pixel Monkey MVP Brock Beauchamp's Avatar
    Posts
    6,696
    Like
    32
    Liked 776 Times in 426 Posts
    Blog Entries
    6
    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
    Might need a vesting option for a third year, as well, or he'd say no thanks I'll go with a contender for now.
    Honestly, I feel the Twins are closer to competing than the Red Sox. They have a much smaller hill to climb to top the Central.

  13. #13
    Super Moderator MVP Riverbrian's Avatar
    Posts
    7,042
    Like
    1,183
    Liked 682 Times in 439 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3
    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    It depends.

    1. You're not going to get Marcum. Then yes, I'd definitely go 2/$30m for Dempster.

    2. You have a good shot at Marcum or Jackson and you're bidding competitively. Then no, I'd probably hold off on Dempster.
    I completely agree... If Marcum and Jackson are off the board... Then Yes to Dempster because he is the best option left.

    But If I'm overpaying... and I do think we should (have to) overpay over what is comfortable... I'm overpaying for Marcum or Jackson. At this point... The length of the deal or dollar amount doesn't even matter to me. We got some cash to spend and we need someone to move into our #1 Slot (even if that pitcher isn't a #1) to push everyone else down one slot.

    It's not spending to spend because money is the answer... It's not... It's spending to bring in a much needed arm.

    The alternative is trading Willingham plus someone like Kepler to get someone like Marcum or Jackson... or ... Inking more pitchers like Correia (which we should also do).

    Honestly... This is kind of my Terry Ryan test for the off season... One Arm out of the Top Group. Just one.

    The Trades were nice... Correia didn't impress or bother me... I'm still holding out hope that TR can go over the sensible number with one of the top group guys.

    AND land him!!!

  14. #14
    Super Moderator MVP ashburyjohn's Avatar
    Posts
    6,969
    Like
    1,041
    Liked 1,260 Times in 752 Posts
    Blog Entries
    28
    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    Honestly, I feel the Twins are closer to competing than the Red Sox. They have a much smaller hill to climb to top the Central.
    Depends then on whether Dempster accepts the conventional wisdom that the Red Sox are never more than a few check-signings from legitimate contention.

    I'm also not that enthused about a 2013-14 Twins squad "competing" where the bar is around .500. That to me is just a fluke, although an enjoyable one, compared to the World Series-contending team that we hope is brewing ca. 2015 forward. Signing Dempster to 2 years is just a bridge to that, and I presume Dempster can infer the same as I can.

  15. #15
    Super Moderator MVP Riverbrian's Avatar
    Posts
    7,042
    Like
    1,183
    Liked 682 Times in 439 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3
    I also want to add for no necessary reason at all...

    Dempster and Youkilis both bother me. It would seriously drive me nuts to watch the Youkilis batting stance every night with the Twins. It would also bother me to watch Dempster and that Glove Flip thing every 5 days.

    I'm sorry... I'm just thinking of the kids watching at home... Ttrying to copy that ****. It just ain't good for them.

  16. #16
    Senior Member Double-A
    Posts
    174
    Like
    8
    Liked 38 Times in 13 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1
    I can't see him pitching to value under that contract. I'd pass.

  17. #17
    Member Single-A
    Posts
    83
    Like
    3
    Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1
    Twins will not spend THAT MUCH for starting pitchers period.. they can sign 3 Kevin Corriea's for that kind of money.and believe me, they will

  18. #18
    Senior Member All-Star TheLeviathan's Avatar
    Posts
    4,080
    Like
    97
    Liked 342 Times in 195 Posts
    I think Seth's point about trade-ability is the key. That's why this isn't attractive.

  19. #19
    Taken on comparative value to last year, Dempster's normalized numbers do provide quite the boost to the 2k12 numbers. Correia and Worley are already in the fold, like it or not. That's got the rotation down 50-55 runs. Poke in Dempster and that would drop an additional 30-40 Runs.

    The fluctuation is weather we calculate actual innings pitched per start, averaging only one starter's numbers to fill the gap. I tried to guess who would have got those starts, but the back end of the rotation was so sad, it really doesn't mater much. The actual start thing gives the rotation a lot more innings, as we're able to throw out whole players. Not that ou can do that in reality, since things are connected, but still. We're trying calculate relative value to evaluate contract worthiness. So while the runs allowed tend to be higher, since we have to take on some of the lesser outings, the over all innings pitched by the starters goes up, because we're able to avoid all those short starts. This means that with Dempster, the rotation could have given as much as 40 extra innings last year. That's lie never having to use Maloney, Manship or Some of the longer outings for Swarzak.

    There appears to be a lot of value there to Dempster, on a two year deal, of course. Hard to see that 3rd year working out. Might be even better to toss more cash at Sanchez.

  20. #20
    Senior Member All-Star
    Posts
    2,171
    Like
    98
    Liked 54 Times in 38 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    It depends.

    1. You're not going to get Marcum. Then yes, I'd definitely go 2/$30m for Dempster.

    2. You have a good shot at Marcum or Jackson and you're bidding competitively. Then no, I'd probably hold off on Dempster.
    Honestly, I don't see a reason you can't afford Dempster and one of Marcum/Jackson. 2/30 is high, but doable. And a heck of a lot more doable before we went 2/10 on Correia. I love Ryan but this time of the year really sucks.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
©2014 TwinsCentric, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Interested in advertising with Twins Daily? Click here.