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    Gleeman said he has the lowest strikeout rate of any RH over some period. What is Ryan doing? How do you sign this guy for 2 years and that much money? At least I know I won't have to spend money on the Twins this year, or probably next either.
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    The Twins better hope for a mega-breakout from Liam Hendriks this year or else the entire rotation is composed of 3s and 5s until Gibson's limited innings.

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    Words cannot express how awful this move is.

    I get that the Twins aren't going to contend in 2013. They need an innings eater. Fine. But why the #*$^ would they sign Correia to two years? Are they writing off 2014 as well? And $5 million per year?

    Correia on a minor league deal for one year would be an okay move. Not great, not good, but okay. Two years and $10 million makes me question Terry Ryan's sanity.

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    Two years? He will have to be awful for the Twins to give someone else his spot in the rotation. Meanwhile, they are delaying finding the longer term solution. I would prefer giving Hendriks and Gibson an extended shot this year. And sign someone like Lannon or Jurrjens.

    Best case, his ERA and peripherals look good enough to flip for a prospect in July.

    Second best, he is awful and the Twins send him the way of a Jason Marquis.

    Worst case, he is mediocre and unwanted in any trade but not awful enough for the Twins to give the ball to someone else. In 2014, he takes starts a way from a young pitcher.

    Though I am sure his agent was saying otherwise, I doubt any other team was offering the second year.

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    I'm sure like most GMs, Ryan misguidedly fell in love with his groundball rate, while simultaniously forgetting his infield defense is awful and this bum lets everyone make contact. Sounds like Ryan was bidding against a Japanese team, Correia must have really been a hot commodity.

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    At best Correia can be Pavano 2010 - 2011 and at worst Blackburn 2012 - current. So, with a lot of luck, good defense (did I say luck), and catchers that can frame pitches, he could pitch to a #3 level, but likely we only hope for a solid #5 with an ERA no higher than 4.75 this season and sub 5 next.
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    Why does Terry Ryan always have to follow a good move with an awful one? Last year he signed Josh Willingham... then ruined all that good will by bringing in Jason Marquis.

    Signing Correia officially ruins all the good feelings I had from the Revere trade. Correia is - by all objective measures - one of the worst pitchers in Major League Baseball. And the Twins get to pay him $5 million apiece for two years. Horrible.

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    For all of you pooh-poohing Joe Saunders: this signing isn't even Joe Saunders.

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    Not good enough to be a #5 starter

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Ratio View Post
    At best Correia can be Pavano 2010 - 2011 and at worst Blackburn 2012 - current. So, with a lot of luck, good defense (did I say luck), and catchers that can frame pitches, he could pitch to a #3 level, but likely we only hope for a solid #5 with an ERA no higher than 4.75 this season and sub 5 next.
    I really think a "solid #5" is too much to hope for. Over the last three years, the only starting pitcher with a WAR lower than Correia's 0.8 is Nick Blackburn (0.5). His home run rate was almost average last year, but in 2011 it was 1.40, which is high even compared to the Twins cadre of gopherballers. Correia gives up way too many hits, and his strikeout rates are about as pathetic as Pavano's.

    I cannot believe how utterly stupid this move was; signing Correia to a one year, MLB minimum deal would've been a questionable move. Giving him an extra year and $5 million per season is sheer insanity.

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    Basically a Blackburn clone. I don't get it. I realize we have money to spend, but I'd rather have had almost anyone else, even Lannan. I'd rather have spent $10 million on Marcum than on both Correia and Lannan combined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legend of the Arctic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Ratio View Post
    At best Correia can be Pavano 2010 - 2011 and at worst Blackburn 2012 - current. So, with a lot of luck, good defense (did I say luck), and catchers that can frame pitches, he could pitch to a #3 level, but likely we only hope for a solid #5 with an ERA no higher than 4.75 this season and sub 5 next.
    I really think a "solid #5" is too much to hope for. Over the last three years, the only starting pitcher with a WAR lower than Correia's 0.8 is Nick Blackburn (0.5). His home run rate was almost average last year, but in 2011 it was 1.40, which is high even compared to the Twins cadre of gopherballers. Correia gives up way too many hits, and his strikeout rates are about as pathetic as Pavano's.

    I cannot believe how utterly stupid this move was; signing Correia to a one year, MLB minimum deal would've been a questionable move. Giving him an extra year and $5 million per season is sheer insanity.
    Agree. Seen him pitch here in the burgh, and he's no darling.
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    I'm the positive blogger, by many accounts. I got nothing. $5 million is apparently what a #4/5 starter is getting (although Feldman got $6 million +, and I would take Correia over him... if I absolutely had to). I just don't get the second year.

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    Not worth a 40-man spot. Blackburn throws ground balls, too. A waste of $10 million. Should've just waited him out and signed as an invitee to camp with a modest minor league contract. Only way to redeem himself is if Ryan still signs two more pitchers (Saunders and Myers) and we remove Drew Butera. Then can live with this..but barely. Ask yourself, when you sign a guy...would someone, anyone give you something of value for this player in the future and, what is out there that can comparably replace him...and we already have that in Blackburn and probably could've signed in Pavano for less. Bad signing, Terry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    I'm the positive blogger, by many accounts. I got nothing. $5 million is apparently what a #4/5 starter is getting (although Feldman got $6 million +, and I would take Correia over him... if I absolutely had to). I just don't get the second year.
    Haha. Agree on everything.

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    He's better than our 3-4-5 guys from last years rotation! His 4.21 ERA would have lowered our team average from last year! Gotta have a little faith

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    YAY WE ARE PUNTING NEXT SEASON. OR 2. We now have 2 Nick Blackburns for our rotation. You'd think the Twins would have learned after Blackburn.

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    Awesome. This rivals the Marquis signing. I can't think of any move that would be quite as stupid as this one. Congrats, Terry Ryan. For a moment there, I thought you had finally clued in. I now know you traded Ben Revere because you actually do think Aaron Hicks is ready, not because it was the right thing to do.

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    Who would you rather have pitching for the Twins, Kevin Correia or Sam Deduno? My money's on the dizzy-eyed one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MN_Twins_Live View Post
    He's better than our 3-4-5 guys from last years rotation! His 4.21 ERA would have lowered our team average from last year! Gotta have a little faith
    DeVries' ERA was lower than that. Deduno's was close enough. And Hendriks will improve to be around that mark. Each one costs 1/10 of Correia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MN_Twins_Live View Post
    He's better than our 3-4-5 guys from last years rotation! His 4.21 ERA would have lowered our team average from last year! Gotta have a little faith
    No, he's not better. Just as bad I think. The guy has been a below replacement player his last 3 years and over his entire career. That 4.21 ERA in the NL will on a team with average to above average D will bloat to >4.5 ERA in AL and with the Twins D in all likelihood. I hope you are right and I am wrong.
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