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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    And if the Twins do that, I'll be the first in line with a torch and pitchfork in hand. But until that happens, I'm not going to speculate wildly. The drop in payroll after 2011 was a given; the team went from receiving revenue sharing to paying into the system, a swing of thirty million dollars.
    You might want to at least get the torch and pitchfork handy, Brock.

    In 2007, the Twins opened the year with a $71,439,500 payroll (according to Cot's). As things stand now, if we consider Nick Blackburn's 2013 pay as a sunk cost, the remainder of the Twins payroll looks to be about $74,100,000. Adjusted for even moderate inflation (and there's been nothing moderate about the rate of inflation of MLB salaries), I think we're already in the Metrodome payroll neighborhood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    Let's say Greinke turns into a lemon three years into the contract. You now have a declining Mauer and a worthless Greinke eating $50m. What do you do in that situation?

    (answer: lose a lot of games)
    then you send them to rochester till they quit or some one else picks them up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Crikket View Post
    I just posted an article on this last night at Knuckleballs (and re-posted here at TD this morning). Absent another Major League signing, the Twins currently appear to have about $79,600,000 committed for 2013 (and this includes the $5.5 million they owe Nick Blackburn). It may be a few bucks more if you assume Rich Harden will make the Opening Day roster and get more than the MLB minimum should he do so. That would be more than $20 million LESS than the Opening Day payroll commitment a year ago.

    So yeah... Joe Mauer's pay is certainly NOT affecting what the Twins FO can do right now. It's not that they can't afford better pitching, they are simply choosing not to acquire it.
    Thanks for the link! Good read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by edavis0308 View Post
    Have no fear everyone! MLBTR reporting we are close to a two year deal with Kevin Crappiea!
    gee the pitcher i said ryan would pursue and sign as our inning eating ace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    And if the Twins do that, I'll be the first in line with a torch and pitchfork in hand. But until that happens, I'm not going to speculate wildly. The drop in payroll after 2011 was a given; the team went from receiving revenue sharing to paying into the system, a swing of thirty million dollars.
    and they still pocketed 26 million in profits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Crikket View Post
    I just posted an article on this last night at Knuckleballs (and re-posted here at TD this morning). Absent another Major League signing, the Twins currently appear to have about $79,600,000 committed for 2013 (and this includes the $5.5 million they owe Nick Blackburn).
    Something else that supports a hard $80 million salary cap is that the Correia signing had $500,000 deferred into 2014 (2013-$4.5,2014-$5.5). Given we are $400,000 under $80 million this appears to have been done to stay under that number.

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    I think it's awesome how people complain that the Twins don't spend enough in one thread and then complain about how ridiculous a player's new contract is in another.

    I'm completely unimpressed with Corriea and Pelfrey and would have liked other relatively cheap options but there weren't many good options available and they got a lot of money. Here are the 10+M/yr FA's off the top of my head. there's spending and there's spending only for the sake of spending.

    Marcum - ?
    Guthrie - 3/25 - almost 10M/yr and he's not that good
    Dempster - 2/26.5
    Jackson - 4/52
    Sanchez 5/80
    Greinke - 6/147.5

    Haren obviously signed a below market one year contract with a team of his choice so he wasn't an option unless of the Twins traded for his option with the Angels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kab21 View Post
    I think it's awesome how people complain that the Twins don't spend enough in one thread and then complain about how ridiculous a player's new contract is in another.

    I'm completely unimpressed with Corriea and Pelfrey and would have liked other relatively cheap options but there weren't many good options available and they got a lot of money. Here are the 10+M/yr FA's off the top of my head. there's spending and there's spending only for the sake of spending.

    Marcum - ?
    Guthrie - 3/25 - almost 10M/yr and he's not that good
    Dempster - 2/26.5
    Jackson - 4/52
    Sanchez 5/80
    Greinke - 6/147.5

    Haren obviously signed a below market one year contract with a team of his choice so he wasn't an option unless of the Twins traded for his option with the Angels.
    I think you're leaving out a few other options. For example:

    Scott Baker $5.5 mil
    Joe Blanton 2 yr/$15 mil
    Scott Feldman $6 mil
    Roberto Hernandez $3.25 mil
    John Lannan $2.5 mil
    Francisco Liriano 2 yr/$12.75 mil
    Kyle Lohse - ?
    Daisuke Matsuzaka - ?
    Brandon McCarthy 2 yr/$15.5 mil
    Brett Myers - ?
    Carlos Villanueva 2 yr/$10 mil

    Certainly all of these pitchers have various "warts". But the point is that there were... and remain... legitimate options better than Kevin Correia and Mike Pelfrey. And he should still have enough room to sign literally any one (and possibly two) of those that remain without threatening the Twins solvency.
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    Unless Marcum is significantly injured, he ain't singing here. Though appreciated, redo accordingly.

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    In reference to our 2007 payroll being in the 71.4M. Inflation calculator says that equals 79.28M today. And that's just normal inflation...before considering how much MLB players' salary has increased.

    So if payroll sits in the high 70s or even mid 80s this upcoming season, why did we need the new park again? Of course, I love the new park, but why was it needed?

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    Twins Fans who buy tickets pay Major Market prices. This is one reason payroll strikes a nerve with many of us.
    If you pay some of the highest prices in Baseball, you expect a quality product in return.

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    I think you're leaving out a few other options. For example:
    You're not raising payroll by going after <5M/yr guys. All signing those guys would do is reshuffle Correia and Pelfrey out of the backend (neither of which that I really like). If you want to raise payroll which is your complaint then you have to sign the high dollar guys. If I had my preference I would pick Dempster because if that contract doesn't work out then at least it's gone in two years. My first preference is Marcum though since indications are that he's not going to get more than 3 yrs and it won't be much above 10-12M/yr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnydakota View Post
    and they still pocketed 26 million in profits
    That is not True. They had $26M in operating Revenue. Operating Revenue does NOT equal Profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetOne69 View Post
    That is not True. They had $26M in operating Revenue. Operating Revenue does NOT equal Profits.
    dont feed troll.jpg

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