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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
    Yeah, I like that kind of wheeling and dealing and wish that people would consider spending to get prospects much more often.
    Likewise. I think some team will figure it out... especially as the spending caps on Int'l players and the draft start to limit options for teams to build. The luxury tax is a long ways away for most teams and MLB payroll is about the only thing left that isn't capped.

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    I think this is Marosi reacting to the crazy CF market, not Ryan making calls. MIN needs a rangy CF to cover for the performance art in LF and RF, where Willingham and Parmalee will be making folks pine for the days of Delmon in the corner.

    But if you insist on getting out of the box, I believe the ridiculous cost of young pitching makes a move for a decent young middle infielder a good idea. The Twins don't have good prospects anywhere near ready, not like they do in the outfield, and converting from a position of depth would make good sense. Moving Revere now is earlier than anyone would prefer, but it's going to be the right move at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay View Post
    Angels are the first to mind with Vernon Wells. They'd have a nice outfield of Trout and Trumbo with Bourjos (R) and Revere (L) and the salary savings would let them get another SP. We could easily ask for a pair of nice prospects in return.Crazy?
    As others have responded, the outside-the-box thinking is great. Wells's contract is exactly the right length, ending before the 2015 season, but unfortunately he is too decrepit to play CF (I never liked him there in the first place) and his preferred position of LF is exactly where we aren't looking at the moment. And unfortunately I don't believe Willingham is going to fetch a good prospect at this time, not to mention that Wells would be such a serious downgrade at the position in terms of offense.

    Alfonso Soriano is eerily similar to Wells (2B is not an option, LF only) except he might be still worthwhile on offense for two more years. A three-team trade where the Twins get Soriano from the Cubs and a stud prospect from Team C plus some other assorted youngsters, and give up both Revere and Willingham to be distributed between Cubs and Team C, might work?

    But taking on huge salary negates the other type of plan that could involve trading Revere: signing someone for 2013-14 to let Hicks take his sweet time to develop rather than force feed him and pay arbitration a year or two too soon.

    A trade that takes on salary 2013-14 would prove that the Twins timetable is 2015 and not 2014. Maybe for PR reasons they can't do that. Or, if Ryan is actually hedging his bets toward 2014 being good, then such a trade won't happen - he'll want budget flexibility to sign someone at a position of need that year, not an untradeable $18M albatross.

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    Revere's stock is at it's zenith. He will not get more valuable than he is right now. Hicks will be as good, all things considered, in 2013 and much better in 2014. I wouldn't worry about starting his arbitration clock, with Buxton's projected time of arrival at 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    Revere's stock is at it's zenith. He will not get more valuable than he is right now. Hicks will be as good, all things considered, in 2013 and much better in 2014. I wouldn't worry about starting his arbitration clock, with Buxton's projected time of arrival at 2016.
    As much as i like Revere i think youre right. We need pitching prospects and I think Revere can get us something a little lower than Alex Meyer. Im excited for what Hicks can become, let him go through some growing pains in 2013 in the Majors, and hopefully he can become pretty darn good in 2014

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    Revere's stock is at it's zenith. He will not get more valuable than he is right now. Hicks will be as good, all things considered, in 2013 and much better in 2014. I wouldn't worry about starting his arbitration clock, with Buxton's projected time of arrival at 2016.
    I don't really agree with any of this. Revere value may be as high as it going to get, but I doubt it. He has always shown an ability to hit. I believe he can contend for batting titles and if he does his value goes up, big time. Nothing about Hicks' year at AA suggest that he is close to ready to play in the majors. I suspect he will be very good when he is ready, but letting him struggle in the majors right now is unlikely to do him much good.

    Finally, just because Buxton might be ready by 2016 is no reason to put Hicks in the majors now. They could play side by side, Hicks might be more tradeable with a lower salary, and just because Buxton might replace Hicks that soon is no good reason to let Hicks struggle in the majors if he is not ready.

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    I have a tough time believing Revere's value is at its zenith because I don't see Revere as all that valuable. I'd argue that if he put up an OPS between .700 and .750 this season that he'd have some value, but right now, there are too many question marks to think he's going to get mch of a return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjsyam921 View Post
    Is a Revere for Hellickson trade possible?
    You must be out of your mind!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    Revere's stock is at it's zenith. He will not get more valuable than he is right now. Hicks will be as good, all things considered, in 2013 and much better in 2014. I wouldn't worry about starting his arbitration clock, with Buxton's projected time of arrival at 2016.
    Exactly. By the end of this year, his complete dearth of offensive skills will be glaringly apparent: no power and an on-base percentage below 300. Trade him for a warm arm or two.

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    http://www.startribune.com/sports/tw...182355221.html

    Latest from LEN III - Twins do seem to be shopping Revere and give a chance to Hicks in CF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
    Alfonso Soriano is eerily similar to Wells (2B is not an option, LF only) except he might be still worthwhile on offense for two more years. A three-team trade where the Twins get Soriano from the Cubs and a stud prospect from Team C plus some other assorted youngsters, and give up both Revere and Willingham to be distributed between Cubs and Team C, might work?
    And at least then we'd still have some RH pop for the current lineup. I still think moving Revere is an odd concept and would rather seem Hammer move in a deal like this.

    I really like the third team idea. We've been hearing about lots of multi-team talks down at the GM mtgs, so maybe something like that is possible. Maybe the Mariners? Hammer to SEA, Soriano and Paxton to MIN, MIN B-prospect to CHC? It wouldn't look as much like we've given up on '13 and '14 while we get a good arm back.

    I'd probably give TR a gold star just for effort and doing something different if they pull it off.

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    You nailed it, Parker!

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