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    Senior Member All-Star Winston Smith's Avatar
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    Peter Gammons is reporting that the Red Sux are in on every free agent so Baker could sign with the Red Sux. Rumor mania has started!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    If he gets three years, the only issue I see is that the Twins would probably have to overpay him this year in exchange for having him the following two seasons when his value will likely be higher. For the first time in two decades, there are legit #2-3 arms affordable to the Twins on the free agent market, I'd hate to see the Twins think the free agents are $2-4 million more than their budget allows while Baker is getting overpaid by that same amount next year.
    This is what I thought at first. I thought, well three years is good because he will be grossly underpaid if he performs like he has in the past. But then, I starting thinking about it more. Coming of injury you never know what you are going to get. It is a gamble. If he doesn't come back the same and/or gets hurt again, then the Twins have made a bad gamble and that is dead money on the books...(Blackburn).

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    It is a risk but would you rather have 3 years committed to Marcum who is coming off 124 innings and shoulder soreness? What about Haren or Dempster who are coming off significant velocity decline, or jeremy Guthrie who has the ceiling of a 2009 Nick Blackburn and the floor of 2011 Nick Blackburn? I'll gamble on the strikeout pitcher fresh off of TJ every time.

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    Joe C. is reporting the Twins declined Baker's option... http://www.startribune.com/sports/tw...176302831.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willihammer View Post
    It is a risk but would you rather have 3 years committed to Marcum who is coming off 124 innings and shoulder soreness? What about Haren or Dempster who are coming off significant velocity decline, or jeremy Guthrie who has the ceiling of a 2009 Nick Blackburn and the floor of 2011 Nick Blackburn? I'll gamble on the strikeout pitcher fresh off of TJ every time.
    Who says you have to commit 3 years to Baker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boom Boom View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Willihammer View Post
    It is a risk but would you rather have 3 years committed to Marcum who is coming off 124 innings and shoulder soreness? What about Haren or Dempster who are coming off significant velocity decline, or jeremy Guthrie who has the ceiling of a 2009 Nick Blackburn and the floor of 2011 Nick Blackburn? I'll gamble on the strikeout pitcher fresh off of TJ every time.
    Who says you have to commit 3 years to Baker?
    No one, that is what we are trying to say...Thyroid broke the story, before the story happened, and we are saying debating whether or not this is a good idea committing 3 years to him (which is what Thyroid Gland broke on his twitter account).

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    The market may be saying that. Jr is certainly saying that, in order to fetch free agent starting pitching you have to offer multi-year deals. If you are going to decline the option, that makes Baker a FA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twins Twerp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boom Boom View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Willihammer View Post
    It is a risk but would you rather have 3 years committed to Marcum who is coming off 124 innings and shoulder soreness? What about Haren or Dempster who are coming off significant velocity decline, or jeremy Guthrie who has the ceiling of a 2009 Nick Blackburn and the floor of 2011 Nick Blackburn? I'll gamble on the strikeout pitcher fresh off of TJ every time.
    Who says you have to commit 3 years to Baker?
    No one, that is what we are trying to say...Thyroid broke the story, before the story happened, and we are saying debating whether or not this is a good idea committing 3 years to him (which is what Thyroid Gland broke on his twitter account).
    Yeah, I know - I was comparing this to what Marcum or Guthrie might get.

    I think three years is a lot for Baker right now. Not everybody comes back from TJ surgery right away, and not everybody is ever the same. I'd give him a year with an option and tell Scott to test the market if he wants more. Baker wasn't exactly the durable type even before the surgery.

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    Last night, Wikipedia had announced (and I mentioned) that the Twins were declining Baker's option. Joe C., you got scooped!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willihammer View Post
    It is a risk but would you rather have 3 years committed to Marcum who is coming off 124 innings and shoulder soreness? What about Haren or Dempster who are coming off significant velocity decline, or jeremy Guthrie who has the ceiling of a 2009 Nick Blackburn and the floor of 2011 Nick Blackburn? I'll gamble on the strikeout pitcher fresh off of TJ every time.
    I'd take three years of Haren at the expense of the injury prone Baker, and if I had to choose between Baker and Marcum, I'd take Marcum too. However, the debate isn't who would we rather have as there should be room for Baker AND a top free agent arm. The issue is there may not be room if Baker agrees to a 3 year deal but the first year is at $6 milion instead of $3 million like it should be.

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    No one, that is what we are trying to say...Thyroid broke the story, before the story happened, and we are saying debating whether or not this is a good idea committing 3 years to him (which is what Thyroid Gland broke on his twitter account).[/QUOTE]

    Hypo-thyroid does seem to have insider info on breaking hormonal news.

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    Pitching is an injury risk. And when a guy experiences velocity decline, like we saw with Pavano this year, it may indicate injury. What you should be paying a guy for is expected production, and not what he he already done for other teams. Personally, I'd project Baker to put together a better 3 year stretch then either Marcum or Haren based on his prior injury history being elbow related and that having just been addressed.

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    If Thryloss thinks he has some inside information, I have no problem with him posting it here since he has the guts to put his name on it. We should know soon enough if it's true.

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    To his credit, he's scooped some things before... He's been wrong as well. We will see. That said, I'm all for Baker on a 3 year deal if at least one of those years is an option year.

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    Joe Mays! I'm not sure I'd spend a lot until I knew he could pitch again.
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    Bakert could be done!

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    Twins declined RHP Scott Baker's $9.25 million option for 2013.

    It's no surprise, as Baker missed the entire season recovering from Tommy John surgery. The Minneapolis Star Tribune confirms that the Twins haven't ruled out re-signing Baker on an incentive-laden, one-year deal.


    Source: Joe Christensen on Twitter

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post

    I'd take three years of Haren at the expense of the injury prone Baker, and if I had to choose between Baker and Marcum, I'd take Marcum too. However, the debate isn't who would we rather have as there should be room for Baker AND a top free agent arm. The issue is there may not be room if Baker agrees to a 3 year deal but the first year is at $6 milion instead of $3 million like it should be.
    3M (money, not the company) isn't going to stand in the way signing a guy like Marcum or Haren.

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    Declining the option was certainly expected. Picking up the option would have shocked everyone. Thrylos could still be right here. I'll be checking my Twinsdaily Daily in anticipation!

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    Moonshot Scott said it best himself:

    "We’re talking, and obviously I think there’s a mutual feeling that I want to be back, and they want me back," Baker said. "But it has to make sense for both parties, and we’re just not there yet.
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