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    According to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com, the Marlins have received permission from the Blue Jays to interview Mike Redmond for their managerial vacancy.

    Redmond, who played with the Marlins from 1998-2004, is currently the manager with Class-A Dunedin. Joe Frisaro of MLB.com has called him "a strong frontrunner" for the job, but Dodgers third base coach Tim Wallach and Reds pitching coach Bryan Price are also in the mix. Other candidates could still emerge in the days ahead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoSABR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
    But it really doesn't matter, believe it, don't believe it, that's on you. I know what he said and didn't....and I don't trust him at all
    Fair enough. I just tend to give people a bit of slack when they are also playing the PR game after a publicly denounced transaction. I just don't think there's really any reason to mistrust TR more than any other GM or Manager; I think some of the job involves PR-speak; in fact, TR has struck me as one of the more straight forward guys in the industry.
    I totally agree. I certainly don't agree with every decision he makes or even the way he goes about making those decisions in every case, but I've always considered him pretty much a straight shooter. He won't answer every question and he'd be an idiot if he didn't occasionally give indications of one thing publicly (where competitors will hear/read what he says) while doing something a little different behind the scenes. If some fans think he should always be 100% open with us about his business dealings, that's their problem. Business does not work that way.

    TG: I'd be thrilled for Redmond if he actually got a MLB manager's job already, even if it was working for the screwball owner in Miami.
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    According to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com, the Marlins have received permission from the Blue Jays to interview Mike Redmond for their managerial vacancy.

    Redmond, who played with the Marlins from 1998-2004, is currently the manager with Class-A Dunedin. Joe Frisaro of MLB.com has called him "a strong frontrunner" for the job, but Dodgers third base coach Tim Wallach and Reds pitching coach Bryan Price are also in the mix. Other candidates could still emerge in the days ahead.


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    Good for Naked BP (for those of us BatGirl alums). I hope Mickey gets the job...though I read in Washington Examiner the next Fish mgr. will be their 5th in 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Crikket View Post
    If some fans think he should always be 100% open with us about his business dealings, that's their problem. Business does not work that way.
    This part of the discussion all started when someone wrote: 'Sorry John, but when it comes down to who are you going to believe, I'll take Ryan.' And I said I wouldn't because I felt he was caught straight up in a lie before and that I just don't trust him at his word.

    So regardless of how open or truthful you think he SHOULD be with the fans is irrelevant to the discussion..the guy was saying he'd trust what Ryan says over someone else, I said I wouldn't. Whether he should be truthful or not is another issue entirely.

    One could say lying, in general, is wrong...that lying to fans of the team you work for is wrong...but I guess that's a morals thing. If he doesn't want to answer the question so as not to let info out to other teams, that's one thing. Lying to fans is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
    The market has been weird. Consider the difference last offseason between the Mark Buerhle signing and the Edwin Jackson signing. To me a comparable situation might occur this year with Dan Haren and Shaun Marcum. And the difference in performance between those two groups of pitchers is NOT $30-40 million over 3-4 years.

    Doesn't it seem like there is the following:

    Tier One:
    Grienke
    A. Sanchez
    Dempster
    Haren
    Peavy (I guess)

    Tier two:
    Jackson
    Kuroda
    Lohse
    Marcum

    Tier three:
    Blanton
    Saunders
    McCarthy
    Bedard
    Maholm
    Millwood
    Santana
    Correia

    I submit that Santana might be worth giving a shot out of tier three, but I just don't like bothering with any of those other guys when millions of dollars would be wasted for replacement level pitching.
    Tier three is garbage. Just ignore it.

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    [QUOTE=Jim Crikket;59610]If some fans think he should always be 100% open with us about his business dealings, that's their problem. Business does not work that way./QUOTE]



    [QUOTE=ThePuck;59623]This part of the discussion all started when someone wrote: 'Sorry John, but when it comes down to who are you going to believe, I'll take Ryan.' And I said I wouldn't because I felt he was caught straight up in a lie before and that I just don't trust him at his word.

    So regardless of how open or truthful you think he SHOULD be with the fans is irrelevant to the discussion..the guy was saying he'd trust what Ryan says over someone else, I said I wouldn't. Whether he should be truthful or not is another issue entirely.

    One could say lying, in general, is wrong...that lying to fans of the team you work for is wrong...but I guess that's a morals thing. If he doesn't want to answer the question so as not to let info out to other teams, that's one thing. Lying to fans is different.[/QUOTE]

    One could say, in general, this is a load of crap. When was it that Terry Ryan directly lied to you as a Twins fan?
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    I don't care if you think it's a load of crap, but I believe I already gave an example above...do I need to re-post or can you find it yourself? Oh, and I LOVE how people talk all big, bad and rude on the internet...gives me goosebumps.
    Last edited by ThePuck; 10-24-2012 at 07:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
    I'm sorry, I believe I already gave an example above...do I need to repost?
    No, I read it, if that's the best you've got, I think you need to keep looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinsnorth49 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
    I'm sorry, I believe I already gave an example above...do I need to repost?
    No, I read it, if that's the best you've got, I think you need to keep looking.
    Thanks for your opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
    I don't care if you think it's a load of crap, but I believe I already gave an example above...do I need to re-post or can you find it yourself? Oh, and I LOVE how people talk all big, bad and rude on the internet...gives me goosebumps.

    Seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinsnorth49 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
    I don't care if you think it's a load of crap, but I believe I already gave an example above...do I need to re-post or can you find it yourself? Oh, and I LOVE how people talk all big, bad and rude on the internet...gives me goosebumps.

    Seriously?
    Do you like having people you don't know and haven't had any interaction with call what you wrote a load of crap? Is that just normal polite talk where you come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by twinsnorth49 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
    I don't care if you think it's a load of crap, but I believe I already gave an example above...do I need to re-post or can you find it yourself? Oh, and I LOVE how people talk all big, bad and rude on the internet...gives me goosebumps.



    Seriously?
    Do you like having people you don't know and haven't had any interaction with call what you wrote a load of crap? Is that just normal polite talk where you come from?
    Calling people you don't know straight-up liars is polite talk? Ok, my apologies then, I concede.

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    I posted what I interpreted as a sound example of straight up lying...apparently some disagree, you being one of them I see...but that's a difference of opinion. As I see it, it was straight up lying...so I called it that way. I am, of course, open to the idea I'm wrong though...always have been, but I haven't seen any convincing argument that I misinterpreted...certainly someone saying what I wrote was a load of crap isn't a convincing argument...

    And I don't think one lie makes one a liar all the time...I believe his comment was a straight up lie, not that he's a straight up liar.
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    Okay boys. Enough of the fighting. Back to topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
    I posted what I interpreted as a sound example of straight up lying...apparently some disagree, you being one of them I see...but that's a difference of opinion. As I see it, it was straight up lying...so I called it that way. I am, of course, open to the idea I'm wrong though...always have been, but I haven't seen any convincing argument that I misinterpreted...certainly someone saying what I wrote was a load of crap isn't a convincing argument...

    And I don't think one lie makes one a liar all the time...I believe his comment was a straight up lie, not that he's a straight up liar.
    Ok, crap was a bit harsh, I take it back, actually I enjoy most of what you write. Do you not think it's possible though, in the example you gave, that Ryan was merely just stating that he traded Castillo because he knew he wasn't going to re-sign him period and that he was just getting some return for him while he could? I think it could be interpreted that way and over the course of two interviews it just came out differently.

    Maybe his second statement had something to do with feeling his first statement embarrassed Minaya in some way, who knows.

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    Fair enough...and perhaps you're right. I don't agree, but I can see where one might give want to give him the benefit of the doubt. As for the rest, perhaps I overreacted. I apologize for that. And thanks for compliment as well.

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    That's better - I knew you guys could make nice.

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    Not that I really want to extend this discussion, but I'd just add that whenever I see a couple of quotes on the same topic that aren't 100% in sync, I also consider the possibility that one (or both) reporters only used a portion of the statements the subject actually made during the interview. It happens all the time and it does occasionally result in loss of context and apparent inconsistencies. Not saying the reporters cause the problem intentionally, because they're occasionally limited somewhat in how many words their editors allow them for a given story (less of an issue today, perhaps, than it might have been a few years ago when the particular trade in question went down). They pick the 1-2 sentences in a quote that they feel works best for a given story. Different reporters can listen to the same comments and end up using completely different snippets for their respective stories. Just something to consider.

    [EDIT] Thought I would add examples of what I'm talking about: After Game 1 of the WS Wed night, Jim Leyland talked to reporters about Valverde: "He wasn't terrible, he just wasn't good." If one reporter just uses the quote, "He wasn't terrible," and another just uses, "he just wasn't good," you get two very different impressions of what Leyland thinks about his former closer's performance. I think I heard another quote late last night (but don't hold me to it) from someone who said something like,"you can't take anything away from the Giants, they were very good tonight. At the same time, obviously Verlander was a bit rusty after the long layoff." Same thing there, if a reporter only uses part of that quote, it sounds like the Tigers are just tipping their caps to the Giants. If just the last line is used, it sounds like they're making excuses and not crediting the Giants at all.
    Last edited by Jim Crikket; 10-25-2012 at 09:58 AM.
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    Actually,my comment was regarding talent evaluation. I would not disparage the honesty of either man. My apologies.

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    I also believe tier 3 will not help, you might as well use Hendricks or another Twins farmhand. I believe Twins will sign 1 Tier 2, make a trade for one or two major league ready pitcher types and sign 1 from the Tier 3 list. That will be lucky to get the job done, but not impossible. Baker may be the Tire 3 or rebound type. That has at least a chance of working.

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