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Thread: Article: Terry Ryan: Twins Will Chase "Pretty Darn Good" Pitcher

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Ratio View Post
    Thin?!?! Good lord almighty.
    Telling us it's thin is a way to prepare us for what we end up with...cause, you know, 'we'll be competing with so many other teams also looking for pitching and it's just such a thin market, teams are gonna overpay...and we just can't see doing that.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    Is there a bit more substance in the rest of the interview than the "answers" Ryan provided in this sample?

    We learned nothing from these quotes.
    The interview is nine pages in length. There is plenty of content and answers in it, I assure you. Ryan was pretty frank at points and I think the interview is quite enlightening.

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    It's a pretty thin market, there are no true "aces" on the market this year, Greinke is as close as that gets I suppose, otherwise there are a few #2's (Marcum, Peavvy, Sanchez, Lohse??) and the rest arelow end #3's and solid #4's (Kuroda, Jackson,) though low end #3's and solid #4's would be a huge upgrade for us...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon View Post
    P.S. Who is this pitcher Will Chase?
    I don't know but we shouldn't go trading Willy Nilly for him.

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    Awesome post twinsnoeth49

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    I don't care what you call it, thin or deep, there aren't a ton of names on the list of FA starting pitchers that I'd get all excited about. So while there may be a deep market in terms of quantity of pitchers likely to get pretty good paydays, I'd sure like to see more legitimate top of the rotation arms on the list. I think the Twins rotation has been so bad that mediocrity looks really good by comparison. A discussion of any one of the pitchers on the list will come with a "yeah, but..." at the end.

    I'm glad Ryan and his staff recognize the obvious... that their rotation is an abomination that must be fixed from outside the organization. Most of us recognized that fact at least a year ago and maybe if Ryan hadn't come so late to the party, he would have added real rotation help a year ago and the hole he now has to dig out of wouldn't be so deep.
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    Thick or thin... We can't sign them all... Mr. Ryan... Pick your favorites and bid aggressive.

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    Does anyone remember what our starting rotation was supposed to be when we broke camp? Wasn't it, in no particular order, Pavano, Liriano, Marquis, Blackburn and Baker (who never pitched this season) How many of those guys, along with guys like Swarzak and Duensing, were Ryan's and how many were Smiths?

    As we go into next season, we have one sure thing...Diamond. Is he Smith's or Ryan's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    This is the crop of FA starters. Some others may have options declined or released or just wouldn't likely fit, rumored trouble makers or injured.
    When nearly every team needs pitching this is a very thin list.

    2012 war based on 80+ innings
    Erik Bedard (34) 1.3
    Joe Blanton (32) 2.4
    Kevin Correia (32) .8
    Ryan Dempster (36) 3.3
    Zack Greinke (28) 5.1
    Dan Haren (32) 1.8
    Edwin Jackson (29) 2.7
    Hiroki Kuroda (38) 3.9
    Kyle Lohse (34) 3.6
    Paul Maholm (31) 2.5
    Shaun Marcum (31) 1.4
    Brandon McCarthy (29) 1.8
    Kevin Millwood (38) 2.0
    Anibal Sanchez (29) 3.8
    Ervin Santana (30) -.9
    Joe Saunders (32) 2.5
    I call this thin. The only ace on this list is Grienke--he wont come here and he is a borderline ace. The only number 2 are Sanchez and Haren. All of the rest are Pavano (of a couple of years ago) or Baker level. None are worth more than $30 million over 3 years. Avoid Lohse, Santana, McCarthy, Jackson, Millwood and Dempster like they have the plague. Maybe I would sign one of the others for $25million over 2 years and expect a mediocre number 3.

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    Haren had an off year for sure...or off first half...but I'd label him as a guy who has ACE stuff. He's a guy you normally get over 200 IP near 200Ks and an ERA low to mid 3.00s. I'd take that especially from a AL pitcher
    Last edited by ThePuck; 10-23-2012 at 01:36 PM.

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    Is that list any worse than the last 5 years, though?

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    Add Haren and Peavy and the list looks pretty damn good.

    Ryan didn't give away a lot, but when asked if he plans on offering multi-year deals to pitchers, he said you can't sign one if you don't.

    That is somewhat telling and possibly encouraging seeing as he has not used that philosophy in the past. It reminds me of early in the year when he was questioned about drafting control verses power arms in the draft. He (fibbed and) said the team always valued power arms. Previously it was obvious they did not, but after the draft it was obvious they had changed philosophy. I hope his suggestion about multi-year deals for pitchers is another stubborn change.

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    Here's last years crop, 31 available starting pitchers average age (throwing out Wakefield) 31.87, aces? Some might debate Wilson, I won't. This year, 16 available, average age, 32.18, aces? Grienke appears debatable, he's closer than Wilson in my mind.

    With the greatest over-riding factor being every team needs and wants better starting pitching, this is a pretty thin list by comparison. Trades are definitely going to be the order of the day, especially considering the guy we ended up with from last year's, "deeper" list, was Jason Marquis!
    Erik Bedard 32
    Andrew Brackman 26
    Mark Buehrle 32
    Chris Capuano 33
    Bruce Chen 34
    Bartolo Colon 38
    Aaron Cook 32
    Yu Darvish 25
    Jeff Francis 30
    Freddy Garcia 35
    Jon Garland 32
    Aaron Harang 33
    Rich Harden 29
    Livan Hernandez 36
    Hisashi Iwakuma 30
    Edwin Jackson 28
    Hiroki Kuroda 36
    Rodrigo Lopez 35
    Paul Maholm 29
    Jason Marquis 33
    Kevin Millwood 36
    Roy Oswalt 34
    Micah Owings 29
    Brad Penny 33
    Joel Pineiro 33
    Jo-Jo Reyes 27
    Joe Saunders 30
    Javier Vazquez 35
    Tsuyoshi Wada 30
    Tim Wakefield 45
    Chien-Ming Wang 31
    Brandon Webb 32
    Dontrelle Willis 29
    C.J. Wilson 30
    Chris Young

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    This is the crop of FA starters. Some others may have options declined or released or just wouldn't likely fit, rumored trouble makers or injured.
    When nearly every team needs pitching this is a very thin list.

    2012 war based on 80+ innings
    Erik Bedard (34) 1.3
    Joe Blanton (32) 2.4
    Kevin Correia (32) .8
    Ryan Dempster (36) 3.3
    Zack Greinke (28) 5.1
    Dan Haren (32) 1.8
    Edwin Jackson (29) 2.7
    Hiroki Kuroda (38) 3.9
    Kyle Lohse (34) 3.6
    Paul Maholm (31) 2.5
    Shaun Marcum (31) 1.4
    Brandon McCarthy (29) 1.8
    Kevin Millwood (38) 2.0
    Anibal Sanchez (29) 3.8
    Ervin Santana (30) -.9
    Joe Saunders (32) 2.5
    Thanks for posting this. I believe that the Twins should, realistically, contend for both Jackson and Marcum. But I think that they WILL pursue two of: Marcum, McCarthy, Saunders, Blanton, Maholm (please no!) and Santana. Santana's 2013 is not going to be that bad. He is likely to have a strong bounceback season. Greinke, Haren, Sanchez, and Dempster are going to be out of reach unless the Twins only add one pitcher, and even then, only Greinke fits the bill. I don't actually believe that pursuing one top top guy is better than pursuing two second-tier guys, honestly.

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    For people who doubt based on Josh Willingham's contract blah, blah, blah . . . the Twins have money to spend and need to spend it, especially, for the millionth time, that after 2013, the payroll REALLY drops significantly and hopefully in 2014, 2015, and 2016, the vast majority of the non-Mauer roster is composed on sub $1 million players like Sano, Rosario, Arcia, Hicks, Benson, Gibson, Hendriks, Salcedo, Berrios, Harrison, Boyd, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
    For people who doubt based on Josh Willingham's contract blah, blah, blah . . . the Twins have money to spend and need to spend it, especially, for the millionth time, that after 2013, the payroll REALLY drops significantly and hopefully in 2014, 2015, and 2016, the vast majority of the non-Mauer roster is composed on sub $1 million players like Sano, Rosario, Arcia, Hicks, Benson, Gibson, Hendriks, Salcedo, Berrios, Harrison, Boyd, etc.
    Blah, blah, blah... the Twins history of not doling out large contracts to FA, especially pitchers, would lead one to expect the Twins will not sign a major pitching name this offseason, rather they will sign 1-2 back-end starters for 1-2 years, $5-7 mil per season. Opinions from the Twins fans regarding the amount of money the team has to spend this year can't possibly have any value as their payroll budget has not been released yet.

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    I gotta agree with Shane here.... We have one pitcher in Diamond slotted for the 2013 rotation right now. We have money coming off the books. Not signing at least half way decent arms would be criminal. Any GM in the land can see this. Even if you throwing away 2013 for a 2014 or 2015 build. You still have to spend some FA dollars this year with contracts that roll into the years that follow.

    We all know the past history. It simply doesn't apply right now. If we don't make significant additions to the pitching staff in the off season. I swear to all... I will make Thrylos look pale when I personally assess Terrry Ryan.

    That should scare them... riverbrian will type nasty stuff.

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    Sorry John, but when it comes down to who are you going to believe, I'll take Ryan.

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    I'll throw one more log on the fire - Hisahi Iwakuma (31) & 1.9 WAR. Twins went after him hard when there was a posting fee and lost out to the A's. He played out his time in Japan, became a free-agent, signed a 1-year deal with the Mariners ($1.5M) and was 9-5; 1.28 WHIP; 3.16 ERA. Started the year in the pen and ended in the rotation - 16 games started and 125.1 Innings. Now that there's no posting fee and he had decent stats, why wouldn't the Twins go after him? Low on radar, decent on potential.

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