Minnesota Twins News & Rumors Forum
Results 1 to 13 of 13

Thread: BA Pre 2012 Prospect Rankings by Position

  1. #1

    BA Pre 2012 Prospect Rankings by Position

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/onlin...2/2613076.html

    Started with RHP's today, will be interesting to see how we stack up over the course of this series.

    Obviously we all know that pitching is not a strong suit of this organization, still pretty depressing to only have one prospect in the bottom half of the top 70. I would assume there will no Twins representation in the LHP segment, adding more salt to the wound. Hopefully this will be addressed in 2012 through the draft, a fully healed Kyle Gibson and continued development of the likes of Salcedo, Boyd, etc.

  2. #2
    Twins Contributor All-Star Jeremy Nygaard's Avatar
    Posts
    1,895
    Twitter
    @jeremynygaard
    Like
    1
    Liked 117 Times in 63 Posts
    Blog Entries
    174
    On Baseball America's list for Right-handed Pitchers (70), Left-handed Pitchers (40), Relief Pitchers (25) and Catchers (25), the Twins have a grand total of one player represented.

    I think it's safe to say the rest of the positions will be better represented (Parmelee, Rosario, Sano, Michael, Benson, Arcia, Hicks), but definitely not a "strong" farm system by any means.

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by jnygaard View Post
    On Baseball America's list for Right-handed Pitchers (70), Left-handed Pitchers (40), Relief Pitchers (25) and Catchers (25), the Twins have a grand total of one player represented.

    I think it's safe to say the rest of the positions will be better represented (Parmelee, Rosario, Sano, Michael, Benson, Arcia, Hicks), but definitely not a "strong" farm system by any means.
    I didn't realize they had already released LHP's, RP's and C's, can't find it anywhere on BA's site. I would have assumed at least Herrmann would have made the top 25 for catchers, he really raised his profile in the AFL, is relatively close to the majors and plays a pretty thin position.

  4. #4
    Twins Contributor All-Star Jeremy Nygaard's Avatar
    Posts
    1,895
    Twitter
    @jeremynygaard
    Like
    1
    Liked 117 Times in 63 Posts
    Blog Entries
    174
    They had it in the magazine that came out earlier this week. The rest of the positions will be in the next magazine in two weeks.

    I'll double-check catchers when I get home tonight, but I'm pretty sure Herrmann wasn't on it.

  5. #5
    Nope, you're right (I've got the e-edition subscription). Herrmann doesn't show up in the top 25 catchers list, that's a deeper list than I pictured off the top of my head and I suppose being new to the position affects his ranking a bit.

    So as you pointed out, 1 guy out of 160 opportunities and that one guy has the ceiling of a #3 starter. I'm all about drafting the best player available over of drafting for need but they're really got to address this chasm. I guess the real shame is that so many attempts to address the pitching depth with early picks haven't worked out as hoped (Gibson, Bashore, Hunt, Gutierrez, Tootle, Rainville, Waldrop just to name a few)

  6. #6
    Twins Contributor All-Star Jeremy Nygaard's Avatar
    Posts
    1,895
    Twitter
    @jeremynygaard
    Like
    1
    Liked 117 Times in 63 Posts
    Blog Entries
    174
    I don't have the lists in front of me, but it would be interesting to see how many of the starting pitchers named are guys the Twins never had a shot at.

  7. #7
    Owner MVP Seth Stohs's Avatar
    Posts
    6,436
    Twitter
    @sethtweets
    Like
    64
    Liked 347 Times in 183 Posts
    Blog Entries
    515
    I wouldn't exactly give up on Gibson, Bashore, Gutierrez and Waldrop...

  8. #8
    Senior Member All-Star Jim Crikket's Avatar
    Posts
    1,094
    Like
    15
    Liked 122 Times in 61 Posts
    Blog Entries
    77
    Quote Originally Posted by jnygaard View Post
    I don't have the lists in front of me, but it would be interesting to see how many of the starting pitchers named are guys the Twins never had a shot at.
    I think that's a valid question because you don't see many "projected" top of the rotation guys available toward the end of the first round, where the Twins have largely drafted because of their relative success the past decade.

    That said, the Twins aren't the only team with extended success lately. So, since I don't have the lists in front of me, I would ask how many pitchers the Yankees, Red Sox, and Phillies have on the lists. Those teams (and perhaps others) haven't likely been picking anywhere near the top of the draft for a while, either.
    I opine about the Twins and Kernels regularly at Knuckleballsblog.com while my alter ego, SD Buhr covers the Kernels for MetroSportsReport.com.

    ~You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant~

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    I wouldn't exactly give up on Gibson, Bashore, Gutierrez and Waldrop...
    Never said I've given up on them, but you can't deny that so far they've all fallen short of expectations given their respective draft positions.
    • Gibson should be fine...as long as he fully recovers from TJ surgury
    • Bashore is going to be very old for his league in 2012 and has a lot to prove
    • Gutierrez has been awfully brittle, and hasn't demonstrated enough control to be successful at the Major League level
    • Waldrop should consider himself lucky if he can have a brief career as an MLB middle reliever, frankly with his inability to strike anyone out he seems a lot more like a AAAA reliever to me.
    I hope all of these guys pull it off and have great careers, I'm just being what I feel is realistic. I also fully realize that prospects, especially pitching prospects have a very high attrition rate. It just really sucks that the Twins have had such a long stretch of not being able to draft/sign and develop anything more than middle relievers and role players for so long.

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Crikket View Post
    I think that's a valid question because you don't see many "projected" top of the rotation guys available toward the end of the first round, where the Twins have largely drafted because of their relative success the past decade.

    That said, the Twins aren't the only team with extended success lately. So, since I don't have the lists in front of me, I would ask how many pitchers the Yankees, Red Sox, and Phillies have on the lists. Those teams (and perhaps others) haven't likely been picking anywhere near the top of the draft for a while, either.
    Excellent point, here's my quick count of the number of prospects on this list so far from teams that have been consistently picking around or later than the Twins. (Working from home today and not feeling productive)

    Rays:
    - RHP: 3
    - LHP: 3
    - RP: 1
    - C: 0

    Rangers:
    - RHP: 3
    - LHP: 1
    - RP: 2
    - C: 2

    Yankees:
    - RHP: 1
    - LHP: 1
    - C: 3

    Red Sox:
    - RHP: 3
    - LHP: 2
    - RP: 2
    - C: 2

    Phillies:
    - RHP: 2
    - LHP: 1
    - RP: 1
    - C: 1

  11. #11
    Senior Member All-Star
    Posts
    2,618
    Like
    259
    Liked 193 Times in 119 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by twinkiesfan11 View Post
    Excellent point, here's my quick count of the number of prospects on this list so far from teams that have been consistently picking around or later than the Twins. (Working from home today and not feeling productive)

    Rays:
    - RHP: 3
    - LHP: 3
    - RP: 1
    - C: 0

    Rangers:
    - RHP: 3
    - LHP: 1
    - RP: 2
    - C: 2

    Yankees:
    - RHP: 1
    - LHP: 1
    - C: 3

    Red Sox:
    - RHP: 3
    - LHP: 2
    - RP: 2
    - C: 2

    Phillies:
    - RHP: 2
    - LHP: 1
    - RP: 1
    - C: 1
    I'm not sure that's completely fair comparison either. The Rays had the #1 pick back to back as recently as 07 and 08. The only time they picked later than the Twins was in 09 and 11. The 2011 draft was also the first draft in a long time where the Twins picked before the Rangers. Yankees and Red Sox have financial advantages that the Twins generally did not have, esp with bonus in the draft.

    I'm not trying to excuse the Twins, their last few draft groups have run into bad luck or just didn't pan out, but I'm also not sure this is a fair comparison of development and is rather just a snapshot in time that might not accurately reflect team developmental abilities. Phil Hughes, for instance, got a ton of hype but really hasn't had much more impact than Nick Blackburn (both had their rookie seasons in 07 and have, within margin of error, the same WAR). The main pitchers for those big market teams have generally not been developed prospects, with a few notable exceptions (Hamels #17 in 02 draft, Lester a 2nd rd pick that same year. Twins took Span at 20 and didn't have a shot for Lester in 2nd). Instead, those teams have spent hundreds of millions on Sabathia, Lee, Halladay, Beckett, Lackey etc.

  12. #12
    How many of those weren't ever drafted? My guess is the Yankees pitchers are more international, right? I am guessing similar for the Rangers as well.

  13. #13
    [QUOTE=gunnarthor;2905]I'm not sure that's completely fair comparison either. The Rays had the #1 pick back to back as recently as 07 and 08. The only time they picked later than the Twins was in 09 and 11. The 2011 draft was also the first draft in a long time where the Twins picked before the Rangers. Yankees and Red Sox have financial advantages that the Twins generally did not have, esp with bonus in the draft.

    I'm not trying to excuse the Twins, their last few draft groups have run into bad luck or just didn't pan out, but I'm also not sure this is a fair comparison of development and is rather just a snapshot in time that might not accurately reflect team developmental abilities. Phil Hughes, for instance, got a ton of hype but really hasn't had much more impact than Nick Blackburn (both had their rookie seasons in 07 and have, within margin of error, the same WAR). The main pitchers for those big market teams have generally not been developed prospects, with a few notable exceptions (Hamels #17 in 02 draft, Lester a 2nd rd pick that same year. Twins took Span at 20 and didn't have a shot for Lester in 2nd). Instead, those teams have spent hundreds of millions on Sabathia, Lee, Halladay, Beckett, Lackey etc.[/

    It doesn't appear that any of the rays post 2009 first Round picks are in this list.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
©2014 TwinsCentric, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Interested in advertising with Twins Daily? Click here.