09-20-2012, 11:44 AM #1
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Mackey: Joe Mauer an OBP freak.
Good stuff by 1500ESPN.com's Phillip Mackey on why we should be more interested in Mauer's OBP rather than his home run totals.@OverTheBaggy
09-23-2012, 10:01 AM #2
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Nice. Thanks for posting.
09-23-2012, 10:40 AM #3
Does this mean that the rest of the civilized Twins world will finally realize that OBP is the most important part of the game and that Moneyball wasn't propaganda?
09-23-2012, 10:41 AM #4
Ooh and he cites Fangraphs for Mauer's value . . . that apparently is a no-no around here . . .
09-23-2012, 11:44 AM #5
09-23-2012, 08:45 PM #6
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09-23-2012, 08:48 PM #7
Anyway, that's beside the point. By the time someone makes $40m a year, Fangraphs will say some players are "worth" $60m. Again, diminishing returns in actual player "worth" versus mathematical "worth".
09-23-2012, 09:32 PM #8
Hypothetical for discussion's sake, what would free agent Pujols have made this season is he were willing to sign a 1-year contract? 30 million? 35?
How much is additional contract length worth compared to yearly salary?"Maybe you could go grab a bat and ball… and learn something. Maybe you will get it."
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09-23-2012, 09:50 PM #9
09-25-2012, 03:58 PM #10
I love how the stats guys tell us that OPS is a great stat, and how it's a much better stat than batting average, etc., etc.....until we talk about Mauer. When it comes to MAUER, what REALLY matters is his on-base percentage.
So the fact that Mauer has the 24th best OPS in baseball (behind David Murphy, Aaron Hill, Josh Willingham, Allen Craig, in a GOOD Mauer year (as in, one where he's fully healthy and doing what Mauer does every year besides 2009) at $24 million a year shouldn't concern us, right? I mean, crap, Ian Desmond and Dexter Fowler are 27th and 28th on that list.
I'm not saying Mauer's not a good player. Yes, he's an on-base machine. But you can't cut out the bad parts of the narrative just to make your point. You can't marvel at all his walks while ignoring that his outstanding contact rate and plate patience still add up to 2nd- or 3rd-tier hitter when combined with his very average extra base hit totals. And much like the Trout versus Cabrera debate, you need to also figure in the fact that he's now a below-average defender at catcher, and a part-time catcher at that (11% caught stealing rate, has actually gone UP as of late).
09-25-2012, 04:07 PM #11
OPS is a good quick and dirty stat when you want to quickly find out relevant information about a player. It is NOT intended for nuanced analysis.
In any case, OPS is still better than BA, which is virtually useless on its own. According to BA, Miguel Cabrera and Joe Mauer are basically the same player. Yeah, nothing incomplete about that statistic.